thumb hole...too big?

Posted by: JLochner

thumb hole...too big? - 02/27/03 01:25 AM

i just bought my first ball and had the proshop measure and drill my ball. after they finished, they had me slide my fingers in and out...the thumb seemed small so the made it larger.

but i think it might be too big?

i can feel a callous forming on the inside/bottom portion of my thumb. and i read somewhere that you should be able to lift the ball with out squeezing...well, i don't understand how one could possibly pick up the ball without squeezing unless you glued the ball to your finger!

i also read that the thumb should be straight, and even to have the nail pressing up against the surface in the hole. well, again, i don't understand how you could possibly pick up the ball like that!

how do you know if the thumb hole is too big?
Posted by: Bowlerski

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/27/03 01:41 AM

If the callous that's forming is where the thumb meets the palm area, that's a good thing. As far as picking up the ball with only the thumb, you would have to **** the thumb a bit to accomplish this. As far as the thumb being too big, it's a matter of personal taste. Some people like a very snug thumb, and they are able to relax the thumb completely, and the ball will fall off the thumb at release. Others (myself included) prefer the thumb hole to be a little large, and make up the difference with tape. That way if my thumb swells, I can just remove some of the tape, and continue on. If my thumb shrinks, a little more tape, and the hole feels fine.
Posted by: JLochner

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/27/03 01:50 AM

the callous that's forming is right on the first joint/knuckle of the thumb...the inside/bottom edge of it. is that bad?
Posted by: Big Game

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/27/03 07:20 AM

a callous on the inside of the thumb could mean
that the thumb hole is pitched to far under the
palm of your hand, or if the thumb hole is to big
you may be gripping the ball to hard. if the ball
dose not fall off your thumb early during delivery
than the hole may be ok, it may just be a little
off on the drilling. i have always had to squeeze
the ball just a little bit to keep from droping it
on my foot, but during delivery the ball should
stay on your hand without a early release. you may
want the pro shop to look at the callous and see
if there is a problem there. if the ball is drilled fingertip make sure that you put your
fingers in first and then the thumb this will
assure proper alignment. thumbsup
Posted by: wansum

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/27/03 08:42 PM

I too, prefer a little larger thumbhole and adjust with tape. My thumb seems to vary week to week so it helps to get the right "feel". I just use the smooth black electrical tape on the backside of the thumbhole. Cheap and effective.
Posted by: JLochner

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/28/03 12:06 AM

went out bowling tonight to test the new ball again...my first very own ball...

somethings definately wrong. the inside knuckle of my thumb is pretty sore and tender...and a callous will definately form if i continue.

i don't think the hole is too big, because the house balls i used had larger thumb holes and i never had this problem. i doubt the hole is too small, because my thumb slides in and out of it pretty easy. i don't think i'm squeezing the ball.

this may sound like a stupid question, but how do know if you're squeezing the ball?

what else could be causing my sore thumb? again, this never happened with a house ball. should i take it back to the pro shop?
Posted by: Coachrich

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/28/03 07:02 AM

Jlochner,

Well, I don't know if you're going to like this answer...

The most common indication of squeezing the ball is a callous just below the crease of your thumb, or in the case of a large thumb hole...on the pad of the thumb.

When we first decide to try the sport of bowling, whether we are nine years old or an adult, we begin our experience with a house ball. The only way to hang on to a house ball is to squeeze it. The longer you bowl with a house ball, the more your muscle memory engrains the squeezing action into your delivery.

I've found that bowlers switching from a conventional grip (the grip used in house balls) normally require a transition into a finger tip grip. At first, the bowler needs to experience the change in delivery that allows the thumb to clear and the fingers to impart rotations. But they still squeeze the ball because they think they need to. Working with the pro shop operator, the bowler needs to concentrate on releasing tension from the hand. I say that they need to work with the pro shop operator because it is likely that the ball will begin to fall off early and require a pitch or span adjustment. It may just require tape.

I tell my clients that if they are going to squeeze the ball, do it at the top of the backswing, then release the grip as the ball travels forward in the swing. Centrifugal force will keep the ball in the palm of the hand until near the bottom of the swing at which time gravity will take over, pull the ball off of the thumb and the rotations are imparted by the fingers.

The exception...the grip-it-and-rip-it crankers. They have the 'squeeze-release' timing down so it occurs at the bottom of the swing in milliseconds.

Nothing wrong with that, it just takes a long time to master.


Hope this helps...
Posted by: Bowlerski

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/28/03 07:34 AM

One other thing I'd like to ask, and I'm sorry if it sounds stupid, but are you putting your thumb in the ball all the way, or are you just putting it in to the first knuckle? I've seen people do this, and that could also lead to the callous forming there.
Posted by: JLochner

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/28/03 08:10 AM

i'm putting my thumb all the way in....

my callous is forming not just below the crease of the the thumb but right smack dab ON the crease of the thumb...but not really...because it's not forming flush to the bottom...sort of to the side (the inside edge)...

so it's still probably squeezing though, huh? hmm...so how do i break this habit? any tips?

wow...bowling is sorta hard! lol
Posted by: Bowlerski

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/28/03 08:22 AM

One thing you might try is to grip the ball with the top of the thimb. The area where the thumb meets the palm. You can also try bending the thumb almost "backwards", with pressure with the thumbnail to the back of the thumb hole. The major use for the thumb in a bowling ball is for balance. Most of the gripping is done with the fingers. Just relax the thumb and you should be alright.
Posted by: Coachrich

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 03/03/03 06:08 AM

Jlochner,

My friend DTB300 has some great 'drills' that I'm sure he would be more than happy to describe in this post that could possibly relieve your squeezing problem.

DTB?
Posted by: DTB300

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 03/03/03 11:51 AM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">Originally posted by JLochner:
i just bought my first ball and had the proshop measure and drill my ball. after they finished, they had me slide my fingers in and out...the thumb seemed small so the made it larger. But i think it might be too big?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">I take it from you statement that you think the hole is too big. When setting up a ball for a bowler you want the thumb hole to be a little large to accomodate the use of tape in the thumb hole. The thought is you want the hole big enough to be able to add 2-3 pieces of tape. Remember, our thumbs change sizes while bowling and from day to day, month to month, and season to season.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">
i can feel a callous forming on the inside/bottom portion of my thumb. and i read somewhere that you should be able to lift the ball with out squeezing...well, i don't understand how one could possibly pick up the ball without squeezing unless you glued the ball to your finger!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">Rich has put me on the spot again smile so let me see if I can address this so you and others get a better understanding of a proper thumb hole size and how to determine.

The way you can hold onto a bowling ball without squeezing is with:

1. A proper ball span
2. A properly fitted ball without too much reverse pitch in the thumb hole
3. Using tape in the thumb hole

Now, there is some squeezing involved with holding onto a bowling ball. If you try to have a totally dead hand type grip, then yes the ball will fall off. We could not hold anything with a dead limp hand. A common phrase used by instructors is thinking about holding a baby bird in your hand. You need a litle grip to hold onto the bird, but not a death grip, nor a dead hand grip. It is a very light grip.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">
i also read that the thumb should be straight, and even to have the nail pressing up against the surface in the hole. well, again, i don't understand how you could possibly pick up the ball like that! how do you know if the thumb hole is too big?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">Yes, the thumb should be straight and not "knuckled" (knuckled is when the thumb is bent slightly which causes the back of the thumb to drag in the thumb hole). I have heard of the "nail pressing" against the back of the thumb hole, but with some bowlers it will sometimes cause a bowler to create tension in their thumb trying to push it backwards. I like to tell people to put their thumb straight in the thumb hole and the grip pressure of the thumb should be between the bottom of the thumb (where thumb connects to your hand) and the first knuckle, on the pad side of the thumb.

Now, we have to determine how big or small the thumb hole should be, and this is done by using bowlers tape - white and black tape. Let me first start out by saying that there are no rules for which color of tape is used on a certain side of the hole. "Generally" white is used on the pad side and black is used on the knuckle side. But I have seen some people use white all the way around and some use black all the way around. For starters, I have people begin with white on the pad side and black on the knuckle side, but I emphasise to them to try different ways of taping later on to find what is the best way for them.

But I have to state a couple of quick points about using tape. One, make sure the first piece of tape applied is BELOW the bevel of the thumb hole, and Two, each next piece of tape is applied OVER the previous piece of tape, but staggered down about 1/16" below the previous piece. The tape below the bevel will allevitate any possibilies of causing hangups, and the staggered tape allows a bowler to remove a piece of tape without disturbing the previous or lower piece...now back to our discussion....

Next we have to be aware of our hand positions in the ball during our pushaway, backswing, and forward swing. As Rich stated, when the ball is falling from the downswing, the weight of the bowling ball and the effects of inertia will keep the ball on our hand. But what about when the ball reaches the bottom of the swing during the pushaway and when the ball reaches top of our backswing? These are two points when most bowlers will grip the ball. But if the thumb hole is the proper size, gripping will be at a minimum or like I stated earlier like holding a baby bird.

If our thumb hole is too big, right after the pushaway and as our ball passes our side and starts to go into the backswing, the ball will fall off our hand and go backwards towards the settee area causing your fellow bowlers to scatter quickly laugh Here is a good thought for people is to see if they can drop the ball in the backswing as I just covered. If you can then your thumb hole is too big. Now lets move on. When the ball reaches the top of the backswing, our hand is "usually" right on top of the ball. We can duplicate this position with our bowling ball by having the ball in front of us, with the holes up. Place your hand in the ball and while keeping a straight wrist, hold the ball in the air and see if the ball wants to fall off your hand. If the ball is drilled properly and you have a proper sized thumb hole, the ball will not fall off your hand unless you either go completely dead handed, and even then it is tough to drop it, or if you forcefully try to drop the ball by shaking your hand while pushing down - I hope you can get this picture.

Now we have done the hand on top of the ball test, and we have done the backswing test to see if the ball falls off our hand. If it does, add a piece of tape until it feels snug, but not too snug, and does not fall off.

Now some people will have a sense that if the ball will not fall off our hand during these two tests, that is will not come off our hand at release. REMEMBER AN IMPORTANT POINT - the ball RELEASES FROM OUR HAND, WE DO NOT RELEASE THE BALL.

Now on to our last test for thumb hole size. With your hand in the ball, hold the ball in front of you using both hands. Have your bowling hand under the ball and fingers at 10 and thumb at 4 for right handers and fingers at 2 and thumb at 8 for left handers. NOTE!! that this is different from our USUAL release postion, but since we are hold the ball in front of us with our hand under the ball, this is why the position change (remember this is for our thumb size test and not on how to release the ball). Again keeping a straight wrist, try to "flick" the ball off your thumb into your other hand while keeping a relaxed thumb and straight thumb. This will test out if the ball comes off the thumb properly when we are at the bottom of the swing as we are trying to duplicate the hand position at release. Again I hope you can visualize what I am saying here as it is much easier to describe in person.

Let me quickly review. A proper thumb hole size will enable us to have a light grip on the ball like holding a baby bird. During the backswing we should be relaxed enough to almost think of trying to drop the ball, but the ball will not fall off our hand. At the top of the backswing when our hand is on top of the ball, the ball will stay on our hand by the proper drilling and proper taping - no gripping needed at this point. As we start the downswing, as Rich stated, gravity and inertial will keep the ball on our hand, until the ball reaches the bottom of our swing, and the weight and forward momentum of the ball is responsible for pulling the ball off our thumb at the proper time, we do not release the ball the ball comes off, and the fingers impart rotation. If the ball is coming off our hand too early at the bottom of our swing, add a piece of tape. If it is hanging up and YOU ARE NOT SQUEEZING THE BALL, remove a piece of tape.

Whew....Now that was a mouthfull and hopefully this has helped in determining a proper thumb hole size. Without the use of bowlers tape, unless you are someone whose thumb size never changes (and I have not found many) you will end up gripping the ball which affects accuracy, speed, and revs.

In another post on the site we talked about people missing their target to the left. This is a very common cause of a large thumb hole and it is one of the points a bowler should recognize for when to add tape.

Later...Dan
Posted by: Atochabsh

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 03/24/03 11:20 PM

All the advise is great! Wonderful tips and things to definately keep in mind. However, when I find someone that has a callus or sour spot on the base of the thumb and palm, many times it is caused by the thumb hole simply not being beveled and sanded to eliviate the sharp edge there. So, please check that edge, if its not beveled (usually with a three cornered scraper first) and then sanded smooth, you may be simply bowling with too sharpe an edge there.

Erin
Posted by: Coach04

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/28/04 11:47 PM

This is some really good information, and presented well.

I would like to add that, I have the same issue with caluses forming in the same spot you describe. My pro-shop owner and I worked for quite some time figuring out why. We finally determined that the the hole had to be large to accomadate the width of my thumb, but then it was too large for the thickness of my thumb. This caused me to have to really squeeze the ball to keep from dropping it prior to release.

He measured my thumb for width and thickness, then re-drilled an oval hole for me. The problem has not reccurred since.
Posted by: Dizzy

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 05/08/04 04:52 AM

Almost all of the thumb holes I drill for people tourn into ovals because hardly anyone has a round thumb. The tape users do the same thing. They have a hole drilled a little large, usually round bu sometime oval and use tape to create the oval. The tape goes at the front pad of the thumb and the back of the thumb centered on the nail. Usually a rougher white tape is used in front and a smoother tape is used in back. I also like to round the edge of the thumb on the side where your callus is forming. I'll make sure I enlarge the hole a little on that side then use the triangle knife to round the top followed be the beveling sander. This helps my thumb come out smoothly.

I read that the IBPSA or whatever the letters of the Pro Shop Operators are use a 40%-40%-20% rule foe thumb problems. Their training says that 40% of the problems are usually span related, 40% pitch related, and 20% hole size related. I don't know how true that is or if I got it exactly right, so this statment may be worthless to the conversation.

The more I think about it I think the person who said work the front/left of the hole(righty?) where your callus is to enlarge a little, round the edge some, and smooth it is the most practicle of the solutions. If that doesn't work it could be that there's a span or pitch problem but let's not go there yet. Your ball driller probably got that right if your hand doesn't feel stretched or the span too short.
Posted by: Smash49

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 08/09/04 09:48 PM

Ok here is how I determine if my thumb hole is correct. I prefer my thmb holes to be very snug. I will drill my thumb hole the normal 7/8's size. My pitch is 0-0. After the hole is drilled, I will take a bevelknife and bevel the front edge so that it is comfortable and does not grab. This is the area at the base of the thumb and webbing area. Then take the rotosander and smooth everything out. Once that is done I will place my hand in the ball and hold the ball down by my side. Close my eyes and feel for pressure anywhere on the surface of the thumb. Where there is pressure I will mark with a yellow or white pencil. after all the areas are marked I will take a piece of screen and work the opposite side of the whole from where the marks are. If the pressure is great I may take a bevelknife to the area until the pressure is gone. When the hole is prefect you will feel no pressure anywhere on the thumb at all. You are holding the ball without squeezing. The ball will not fall off but you are not grabbing either. It takes patience and practice to get it right. I will insert 1 piece of wide white tape and make sure everything is adjusted again and correct. The goal is to be able to hold the ball down by my side and feel no pressure anywhere on the grip.

Smash49
Posted by: BowlerFreak

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 08/10/04 03:17 PM

I just scanned all of the posts and didn't see anywhere that anyone asked JLochner if he/she had a thumb slug put in the ball. That would sure make the ball more comfortable and would be an easy fix if he/she doesn't have one in there yet. Since it is a first ball (and he wouldn't have known to ask for one) I thought it might be worthwhile suggesting.
Posted by: Smash49

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 08/10/04 10:03 PM

I agree with the thumb slug. It makes thumb holes feel consistent as long as you use the same type or brand. Many new bowling balls insides are not friendly to the surface of the skin. Generally I find my pearl balls a little better than the dull but still recommend the slugs.

Smash49
Posted by: Darryl Gore

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 12/23/04 11:40 AM

Hi,

In an earlier post on this subject, you asked "how do you know if you are squeezing?", well from my expeience, you put your hand in the ball, totally relax, then swing (standing up - in front of the bed incase you drop..), anyway, if when you free swing the ball, you feel it slipping a little bit, then it is more than likely that when you bowl, to compensate for the slipping, you grip.
I myself have had numerous bloody thumb problems, and i have added tape, and bowling into my bean bags at home, thin k i can now safely bowl, without the feeling of the ball coming off my hand. All will be resolved when i bowl next. But trust your instincts - if you think the balls slipping, or doesn't quite feel right in your hand during a test swing - odds are, when it counts, you will be squeezing.

Daz
Posted by: Bipolar Bowler

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 01/23/05 02:54 AM

That's a lot of advice about a thumb in a hole. I like my thumb hole pretty big with lots of slope where the web of my hand is. I think it's good to get a callus on the inner-base of the thumb. You don't want blisters and crud on the back of your thumb, for sure.
Posted by: CCbowler05

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 03/01/05 07:19 PM

I have been bowling for over 7 years but just last year swiched to relaxed grip which shot my average from 140 to 205 in less than 3 weeks. My question is is it wrong that I squeeze with my thumb until the point just before I release the ball then I relax my thumb. Its working fine for me now but would my average go up if I switched to relaxed all the way through?
Posted by: Micky James

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 03/02/05 09:29 AM

CCbowler05, you should use relaxed grip throughout swing. If you do this that is one less thing you have to think about as you throw the ball. You may have to use tape in the thumb hole to get the release point that you want. Ideally you would throw the ball with one thing on your mind, that is keep my eye on the target!
Posted by: 802dave

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 03/02/05 12:49 PM

I agree with Micky!

I've always used tape in my thumb hole as necessary, but I have "fine-tuned" the thumbhole recently. I've been using the white textured tape on the front of the thumbhole, I've started additionally using the black smooth tape on the back of the thumbhole to get a snugger fit.

Adding the black smooth tape for a snugger fit has increased my confidence in my grip; I'm then able to focus more on releasing the ball at my target! This obviously will pay off with a higher average in relation to the prevalent lane conditions!

The white textured tape can be thought of as a roughly close fit tape and the black smooth tape as fine-tuning tape. It may take a little more time to apply, but we're all after results; creating a better-fitting thumbhole will get results!

Dave
Posted by: budvangogh

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/05/05 05:34 AM

Man, Great advice is ALL OVER this thread!!--I will add that its my experience that thumb size varies DAILY--One of the things i do(if the thumb is tight is put thumb in hole and hold it there for several seconds,remove--Repeat a few times and the thumb will start to feel right--I agree with all about a slightly large thumbhole is best--Have a pro shop watch you and check the pitch--if you are sqeezing it, reverse pitch could be the culprit...Also, dont be afraid to work on the bevel around the thumbhole; very minor work can dramaticly increase feel... thumbsup
Posted by: Rikki MC

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/05/05 04:06 PM

Has anyone else seen or used the " Bowling Thumb Carpet"? I saw it advertised in our local Bowling World newspaper.

I ordered a set and discovered that they were basically the loop part of velcro that goes where you would put the black tape.

Figured, what the heck and tried it in my ball. For me, it gives me a snug feeling that I feel like I've stopped squeezing the ball. I can still make adjustments by adding the white textured tape, if the thumb hole starts feeling too loose.
Posted by: Buck Rabbit

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/05/05 04:27 PM

Rikki, did you experience the redness on your thumb they warned about the first few times you use it? If so how soon did that redness go away?

I have wanted to try this product but hoped someone from here would be the test pilot, as I am fond of the skin on my own thumb and don't wish to part with any of it.
Posted by: Headshot

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/06/05 12:40 PM

I have used Ron C's Magic Carpet; I never had any redness. I think it's a very good product. thumbsup
Posted by: Buck Rabbit

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/06/05 03:31 PM

Thanks Headshot! You said "used" in the past tense. Any reason you are not using it now?
Posted by: Headshot

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/06/05 06:41 PM

I started converting my equipment to thumb slugs, I still have 2 balls with the Magic Carpet. Nothing at all wrong with the Magic Carpet, I just wanted to go to slugs. thumbsup
Posted by: Rikki MC

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/07/05 11:05 AM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">Originally posted by Buck Rabbit:
Rikki, did you experience the redness on your thumb they warned about the first few times you use it? If so how soon did that redness go away?

I have wanted to try this product but hoped someone from here would be the test pilot, as I am fond of the skin on my own thumb and don't wish to part with any of it.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">No, I didn't have any redness on my thumb. But I also use a piece of Perfect Patch on the back of my thumb.

A couple of years ago, I started coming out of my ball in such a way that I kept tearing the skin on the back of my thumb. Started using the Perfect Patch on the back of my thumb and that solved the problem.

Unfortunately, it seems that Ebonite may have phased out the Perfect Patch. I've had to order it from on-line stores.

I have tried the other newer finger tape, but it doesn't hold up as well. Despite the claims that it is sweat proof, I seem to be able to sweat it right off pretty quickly. frown

I use the Magic Carpet with my thumb slugs and feel like I am getting a better release. Gives me a nice snug feeling with some cush. thumbsup
Posted by: SDBowler

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/12/05 05:47 PM

Just put tape in the thumb hole
Posted by: split happens

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 05/19/05 01:45 PM

I know this thread is a little old, but I had to put my 2 in. I just came back from a 3-game practice set after inserting Ron Clifton's Magic Carpet. All I can say is wow! Bowled my highest triple (I know, it's just practice).

When I had my ball drilled several months ago, it seemed to me that the thumbhole was too tight... how would I get my thumb outta there? So I had it drilled out until it felt comfortable (loose) - not realizing that to compensate, I was knuckling the ball with my thumb.

To be fair, I have not tried regular tape, but see no reason to now.

Again, my 2 worth.
sh
Posted by: Pedro Quintana

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 05/22/05 01:07 PM

I use this thing could the perfect patch is this any good for the callouses?
Posted by: VBPbowler

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 05/29/05 05:06 PM

Yes this topic is old, but the creator of this topic i could tell what is wrong with your drilling on your ball, when you get a callouse on the crease it means your span is to large, which is one of the largest problems with pro shop operators today, my first 3 balls i had drilled all had the span much to big and now i have a callouse there, and the thumb isnt to big otherwise you would squeeze it and the callouse would form on the knuckle of the thumb
Posted by: Tim Gerard

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 10/12/05 02:19 PM

I agree with Atochabsh, being your ball is new, and just drilled your thumb hole may need to be beveled around the hole to soften up the edge. Sanding it with a fine paper works pretty good. Adjust your fit with tape, adding and subtracting as needed. Happy Bowling.
Posted by: UncaToddly

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 11/27/05 01:29 AM

I can say that the Thumb Carpet is indeed a wonderful thing.

I am very picky about getting out of the thumb well and to those who use a real snug thumb drill, great job. I am not one of them. I am also not one who likes tape. Never have. Works great for LOTS of people but not for me.

When Steffi Ward and some others (including the originator - Ron Clifford) of the old Bowl4Fun chats kept talking about Ron's Magic Carpet I talked with him and he sent me a couple. LOVED THEM. Nice and snug but no problems with hanging up in the ball as my thumb swells and not too loose when I start that I tend to squeeze.

Prior to the carpets I had actually resorted to drilling vent holes in the thumb to help offset the vacuum problems I was having. It worked OK, but the carpet lets the air exchange places and keep a snug fit as well.

While it may LOOK like just one half of velcro, it actually isn't. That was my first impression too though :-)
Posted by: aces

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 01/15/06 11:36 AM

Does our thumb size depend on the seasons? Like most materials which expand during warm days and contract during winter, does the thumb behave that way too? I mean, I think there is an effect on the size of the thumb hole if I will buy a ball during winter, summer or during a rainy day.
Also, I have hitchhiker's thumb. Will there be any adjustments in drilling patterns as opposed to a regular thumb?
Posted by: Nigel91

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/25/06 09:04 PM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">Originally posted by UncaToddly:
I can say that the Thumb Carpet is indeed a wonderful thing.

I am very picky about getting out of the thumb well and to those who use a real snug thumb drill, great job. I am not one of them. I am also not one who likes tape. Never have. Works great for LOTS of people but not for me.

When Steffi Ward and some others (including the originator - Ron Clifford) of the old Bowl4Fun chats kept talking about Ron's Magic Carpet I talked with him and he sent me a couple. LOVED THEM. Nice and snug but no problems with hanging up in the ball as my thumb swells and not too loose when I start that I tend to squeeze.

Prior to the carpets I had actually resorted to drilling vent holes in the thumb to help offset the vacuum problems I was having. It worked OK, but the carpet lets the air exchange places and keep a snug fit as well.

While it may LOOK like just one half of velcro, it actually isn't. That was my first impression too though :-)
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">anyone care to tell me what is a magic carpet? is it an insert tape?
Posted by: Just call me Al

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/26/06 01:08 PM

Hey Moose... re-thumbsize.
Your thumb will change almost every day.
1. what did you do today? work with your hands?
2. what did you eat yesterday? anything with salt? drink a lot of fluids?
3. Its really cold out and conversely, hot out.
4. humidity will not change your thumb size as much as the way your thumb comes out, it can get a little sticky at times.

The day that I don't have to add or remove tape from my ball is an unusual one.
On the days that I have to add tape, around the middle of the 2nd game, the tape has to come out.

Everyone is different. Some people never notice, they just squeeze the ball a little more to make up for the difference. Some can tell how many pieces of tape are in the ball by feel.

So the rule of the thumb is add tape when you feel the urge to squeeze the ball so you don't drop it.
When the ball starts to hang and you are tugging the ball towards the inside, take some tape out.
To me, it's not a ball unless it has tape in it.
Posted by: Kevin Lawrence

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 02/28/06 07:11 PM

I have recently began using Ron-c's Majic carpet. OMG what a difference it has made. I no longer knuckle the ball.

When i got my new ball, i had the problem with the rough/sharp edge. I had the pro guy file it down. But even still, i was getting caluses where my thumb connects to my hand. But, 2 games with the magic carpet and the calous is nearly gone. and definately no pain.

The magic carpet is loop pile carpet. It is actually angled down. for maximum holding power, you put he carpet in so the pile angles to the center of the ball, if you want lesser holding power you angle the loop to the outside of the ball. Oh ya, its supposed to go on the back of your thumbhole.

The pile is about 1/4 in thick, but is squisy, so if you have a little play in your thumbhole, you should be able to add the carpet without resizeing you hole.

I think it is wonderful. Its like $2 each with a minimum order of $20. So you get 10 for $20.
Posted by: joel

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 03/29/06 05:50 PM

VBPBOWLER
MY name is bowling joel. I read your threads and was wondering if you have ever heard of the lateral pitch. I have on my thumb what you have
described. Only diff is it's not on the nuckle, it
is on the side of my thumb to the right of were my
nail ends and down about half inch. It looks bad
but is not as I can find no area that is ruff or
jagged. I think I am squeezing but don't do it all
the time. I read on this page about Ron Clifton's
tape, and in your opinion does it work.
thanks bowling joel aka plain joel
Posted by: Toddfather

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/11/06 04:03 AM

Hey guys,
You should seriously try Ron C's Magic Carpet. It does everything it promises, most importantly allowing for a relaxed grip on the ball. It is snug enough so that in the beginning you wonder if it will stick. No stick, smooth release!
A+++ from an independant beginner. thumbsup
Posted by: ExBronxiteBowler

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 04/24/06 05:51 PM

IMHO,

A milled thumbhole is the way to go. Once they have the numbers to create the perfect oval for your thumb, it will be easy to duplicate thumbholes in different balls. I believe that usimg urethane slugs with milled thumbholes is the best way to go if your driller has a Milling Machine. With a milled thumb, all your equpment will feel exactly the same. All a driller has to do is to draw the cut lines accurately, and hit the lines. The pitches will be within .002... 1/64th of an inch is .015, moreover, the oval will be within .002 If your driller does not have amiling machine, there is still a way to get your thumbs to come out virtually identical. Take your best fitting thumbhole, and have him make a mold of it. Each time he or she drills a ball for oyu, they will make a thumb insert, line it up, and tap it in. Think of it as a xerox machine for thumbholes.
Posted by: Artdoc60

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 06/27/06 03:57 PM

I had a very wise bowler give me a great tip on having your thumb fit. If you get a paper towel and put your thumb in the ball with the paper towel a few times it will help shrink your thumb when you first do this I recommend a little easy slid in the thumb hole first so you do not get stuck in it (And make sure you grip with the base of the thumb don't knuckle the ball relax the rest of your thumb).
Posted by: cschilling

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 08/07/06 01:09 PM

I love the texture of tape, but...hate how it only lasts a game or two before sliding out of the thumbhole and I then have to deal with all the gooey adhesive to replace it. Oh, well. At least I'm not using cork any more.
Posted by: sawmill

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 08/07/06 03:15 PM

Black tape or white tape? White tape is rough is meant for gripping whereas black tape is smooth and is meant for getting a snug fit. Where are you putting the tape? In front of your thumb or behind your thumb? Tape should be placed behind the thumb to keep your thumb from coming loose during delivery. So that you can keep your thumb and your hand relaxed during your approach. Perhaps one piece of tape in front of your thumb to help with the grip. Too much tape in front of your thumb will lengthen your span and lead to squeezing the ball. It almost sounds like you are putting black tape in front of your thumb and squeezing the heck out of the ball so that it comes loose after a game or two. How snug is your fit? Do you have trouble getting the thumb out and do you hear a popping noise when you release the ball? The fit should be snug enough to keep the ball on your hand but no snugger. Your thumb is supposed to come out easily during your release. Have you cleaned out the thumbhole so that new tape adheres without slipping? The pro shop sells pads for removing old tape residue from your thumbhole. Alcohol and cloth will also work.

Why don't you talk with your pro shop about your problem and the proper way to add and remove tape. A live demo is often best.
Posted by: okorimbo

Re: thumb hole...too big? - 08/11/06 06:42 PM

One point not mentioned in the informative answers is that of the writer's comment about picking the ball up....I infer that you are putting your thumb and fingers in the ball when it is on the rack and then picking it up with your hand in the ball. You will naturally grip ther ball and probably bend your thumb when you do this. It is better to pick the ball up with both hands and not put fingers or thumb into the ball until you are in your stance. Then, put the fingers in, flip the ball slightly so that your hand is under the ball and then slide the thumb into the ball. The thumb will be straight.There shouldn't be any feeling of "gripping" wiuth the thumb. Most drillers, at least those IBPSIA and MoRich trained, recommend a slightly larger hole with room for tape. This allows for adjusting the fit as the thumb swells or shrinks.We usually put the white, slightly rough tape on the bottom of the hole and the black smoother tape on the top and sides. The other comments about reverse pitch and lateral pitch are right on and the pro-shop operator should be able to adjust these easily.