Problems with my brand new bowling shoes

Posted by: prov1x_nxt

Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/19/12 06:26 PM

My brand new bowling shoes will not slide at all. The shoe has almost like a carpet like texture on the bottom. I took a wire brush to the shoe and a bunch of fabric fell off of the shoe but the shoe still has a fabric like texture on the slide. What is this and is there any possible way to fix the shoe?
Posted by: dgordon0408

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/19/12 06:33 PM

well most shoes come with a microfiber slide, it depends on the shoes, if you got something with interchangeable slides you could always go to a slicker slide, if you bought universal shoes, you could always go to your pro shop and ask about a shoe slider, its fabric but its really slick. i know on my 3g tour ultras i use the cleated sole with teflon in the front, the black/unknown material int he middle, and the red/unknown material on the back cleats, and then i use the ridge heel to ease me into a slow stop to help me with my balance, also if you want to try the brush again before you buy new shoes brush lengthwise on the shoe instead of widthwise, by brushing length wise youre allowing the fiber things to move in the way your shoe is moving not the opposite way
Posted by: metguy

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/19/12 07:05 PM

This is my take on slide issues. People tend to slide like they walk. What i mean is if you walk heel first then you will tend to slide heel first and no shoe adjustment will cure this. The only way to fix this is to recognize how you walk and how you need to walk. Most high dollar shoes have an elavated heel pad and that will only make it harder to slide if the pad of the slide foot (toe area) isn't absorbing the majority of the slide first.

If you want to check and see if this may be your problem then that is simple. Put some powder on your heel and throw a normal shot. If you slip then you now know why. Be careful...
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/19/12 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: metguy
This is my take on slide issues. People tend to slide like they walk. What i mean is if you walk heel first then you will tend to slide heel first and no shoe adjustment will cure this. The only way to fix this is to recognize how you walk and how you need to walk.


I agree most sliding issues are due to technique, or lack there of. While every step up until the slide should be your typical heel-toe step, but the slide should be toe first to promote the slide, with the heel coming down a split second later. Coming down heel first just ends up making you stop short, and then that causes other issues in the physical game.

Originally Posted By: metguy
Most high dollar shoes have an elavated heel pad and that will only make it harder to slide if the pad of the slide foot (toe area) isn't absorbing the majority of the slide first.


If by high dollar you mean Etonics, I'd have to agree. But all of the Dexter or 3G shoes I've seen the heel is similar to the typical universal shoe. Etonics tend to have that huge heel though.

Originally Posted By: metguy
If you want to check and see if this may be your problem then that is simple. Put some powder on your heel and throw a normal shot. If you slip then you now know why. Be careful...


I used to bowl in a league with a bowler that did that all the time. His whole slide was done leaning back on the heel. He would have the Power Slide sitting under his chair, normally the back table on the carpet and would step all in it and trace it up to and on the approaches. One night bowling against this team, my brother who was on my team literally fell backwards 3 times during the first game. Finally the president reluctantly made the bowler stop using it after my brother complained a couple times and I finally went down and got into it with the president. The offending bowler complained he couldn't slide without it. I say the president was reluctant, because he would selectively enforce rules to try to stay at the top of the standings, and both seasons in that league we were near the top with them. I seen him do something similar things to other teams that were just as competitive.

Originally Posted By: prov1x_nxt
My brand new bowling shoes will not slide at all. The shoe has almost like a carpet like texture on the bottom. I took a wire brush to the shoe and a bunch of fabric fell off of the shoe but the shoe still has a fabric like texture on the slide. What is this and is there any possible way to fix the shoe?


What shoes do you have? Even with good slide technique some shoes could be problematic. Some shoes the heels need broken in too. Walk on carpet with them dragging the heel a little, just be careful not to step on anything that could get on the sole. Preferably do it at home. It helps scuff the heel up and makes the heel where it won't grab immediately.
Posted by: prov1x_nxt

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/19/12 10:15 PM

they are cheap dexters. ricky II blacks i believe. it has nothing to do with my slide technique... if it was my slide technique i would have problems with all shoes. a friend said to put water on the soles and it would harden, then i could work the soles out. any ideas?
Posted by: brettbolt

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/22/12 04:22 AM

Originally Posted By: prov1x_nxt
My brand new bowling shoes will not slide at all. ...

I didn't think I was sliding at all until I took a video of myself bowling. I was quite surprised to see a 1 foot slide!

But after 5 years of trying to learn this sport, I finally realized the importance of keeping my bowling shoes clean and dry. I now have a wire brush, and booties for when I have to visit the men's room. (Men are slobs, they pee all over the floor where I bowl).
Posted by: prov1x_nxt

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/22/12 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: brettbolt
Originally Posted By: prov1x_nxt
My brand new bowling shoes will not slide at all. ...

I didn't think I was sliding at all until I took a video of myself bowling. I was quite surprised to see a 1 foot slide!

But after 5 years of trying to learn this sport, I finally realized the importance of keeping my bowling shoes clean and dry. I now have a wire brush, and booties for when I have to visit the men's room. (Men are slobs, they pee all over the floor where I bowl).



what does any of this have to do with my post?
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/22/12 10:18 PM

Originally Posted By: prov1x_nxt
Originally Posted By: brettbolt
Originally Posted By: prov1x_nxt
My brand new bowling shoes will not slide at all. ...

I didn't think I was sliding at all until I took a video of myself bowling. I was quite surprised to see a 1 foot slide!

But after 5 years of trying to learn this sport, I finally realized the importance of keeping my bowling shoes clean and dry. I now have a wire brush, and booties for when I have to visit the men's room. (Men are slobs, they pee all over the floor where I bowl).



what does any of this have to do with my post?


I think what he was trying to say is you might be sliding more than you think you are. That's the first part of it anyways. The rest is just some experiences of some issues that could happen.

By the way, how are the shoes doing? Getting any more slide?
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/22/12 11:10 PM

Could be many reasons:

They may be cheap shoes, but do they have leather soles? If so, walk around the house wearing them, expecially on carpeting.
Used to be an old trick before replacement soles became vogue.

I don' know about a water treatment, but I use a wire brush on the soles of my shoes.

Are they clean? The heal get dirty and needs to be cleaned. Use alcohol on the heal.

Are you sliding on the heal more then the sole? The sole slides and the heal stops. If your heal is down in the slide, you won't. Could be a balance issue.

As I said, outside of an inexpensive pair that won't do what you expect, there are other reasons.
Posted by: prov1x_nxt

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/23/12 09:36 PM

they are brand new out of the box. I took them straight from the box to my feet to the lanes with no slide. so back into the box and around my house on my carpet. back in the box, from the box to my feet on the lanes still nothing. like i said before they have a fabric like texture and also when i take a wire brush to them this all flakes off but its endless. and for the third or fourth time if it was my technique why can i slide in any other pair of shoes including the exactly same kind of shoes. but in other words no one knows what this is. best i can figure is they got wet in the factory or something. I dont know... i havent tried anything except the wire brush.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/23/12 11:48 PM

I just can't imagine what a fabric sole is, and why a wire brush would flake it. Guess I have to go to a pro shop and look for this.

It sounds like it is the shoe, and not you. If you suspect the sole got wet somehow, take a hair dryer to it and brush at the same time. Or under ahand dryer in the restroom while you bowl.

Hey, I've run out of tricks, without mentioning EZslide.
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/24/12 07:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
I just can't imagine what a fabric sole is, and why a wire brush would flake it. Guess I have to go to a pro shop and look for this.

It sounds like it is the shoe, and not you. If you suspect the sole got wet somehow, take a hair dryer to it and brush at the same time. Or under ahand dryer in the restroom while you bowl.

Hey, I've run out of tricks, without mentioning EZslide.


It sounds like micro-fiber soles. A lot of the shoe companies have been using them on their slightly more expensive universal or low end hand specific shoes. When you take a wire brush to them it does remove some of the fabric and it's actually recommended not to use a brush on them, but sometimes you have to plain and simple.

Originally Posted By: prov1x_nxt
they are brand new out of the box. I took them straight from the box to my feet to the lanes with no slide. so back into the box and around my house on my carpet. back in the box, from the box to my feet on the lanes still nothing. like i said before they have a fabric like texture and also when i take a wire brush to them this all flakes off but its endless. and for the third or fourth time if it was my technique why can i slide in any other pair of shoes including the exactly same kind of shoes. but in other words no one knows what this is. best i can figure is they got wet in the factory or something. I dont know... i havent tried anything except the wire brush.


If it got wet in the factory or any other time before you got them, the sole should be dry and the brush should work. Without actually seeing the shoes or you trying to use them we are just going from personal experience of things that have gave us issues with shoes not sliding.

And yes it could possibly be technique even though you could slide with a previous pair. After the first couple of shots with the new shoes and not being able to slide, you might have changed how you go into the slide worrying about that stop and trying to adjust for it. I see it all the time when someone, including myself, sticks trying to slide and falls hard. They are a bit hesitant in trying to slide for several frames if not the rest of the night.

Other than the easy slide option, which only if used correctly I agree with, you could try getting a slide sock that slips right over the front of the shoe and is held on using elastic that goes to the back of the shoe. Or just take an old sock and put it over the slide sole of said shoe. But that kind of sucks having to do that with a new pair of shoes unless it's what you like.
Posted by: aoiten

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/25/12 01:23 PM

My son has a pair of Dexter Pro-Am shoes. The soles are course microfiber, not like the usual smooth ones. The usual ones are similar to the ones that come on the Ricky II's and even the SST's. They work though. I mainly bought them because one side has a traction sole.
Posted by: tbill

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/28/12 09:01 AM

i too have/had a similar issue with a pair of new shoes. my old ones [well, still using them] are 'universal' and are fairly flat, and well worn in. i get great slide and control with them. as they are getting kind of rough around the edges so to speak, i decided to buy a new pair. the new pair is a different design shoe [still 'universal'], it has a slightly higher heel area, and when wearing them, it felt like i was going down hill, as opposed to how my 'old' ones felt. i wore them on the carpet at home to help the slide portion of the shoe 'smooth' out and then tryed them out on the lanes. guess what? no slide! i came to the conclusion that due to the higher heel, i was ending up in a different position body-wise [sort of leaning back some, or straighter up over all] and ending up 'on the heel' thus effectively causing a braking action resulting in no slide.

long story short, shoes are in my closet getting dusty, as my old ones slowly fall apart.

still wonder if i should hit the heel with some sort of sanding to maybe taper it/smooth it or something to get the feel i want without wasting the shoes altogether.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/28/12 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Calvin Pistorio
Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
I just can't imagine what a fabric sole is, and why a wire brush would flake it. Guess I have to go to a pro shop and look for this.

It sounds like it is the shoe, and not you. If you suspect the sole got wet somehow, take a hair dryer to it and brush at the same time. Or under ahand dryer in the restroom while you bowl.

Hey, I've run out of tricks, without mentioning EZslide.


It sounds like micro-fiber soles. A lot of the shoe companies have been using them on their slightly more expensive universal or low end hand specific shoes. When you take a wire brush to them it does remove some of the fabric and it's actually recommended not to use a brush on them, but sometimes you have to plain and simple.


Haven't seen micro fiber soles anywhere. Course, I haven't looked at med to low end shoes. And, my pro shop doesn't handle them.
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/28/12 10:27 AM

Some of the high ends have them too, even some of the interchangeable sole shoes. Just to look at them they don't look much different than the typical slide sole so unless you read it on a package you might not know.
Posted by: avid15

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/26/18 07:52 AM

Iíve scrolled through all the replies Iíve seen, and figured Iíd put in something that nobody else I saw have mentioned. Adding Ďslideí powder to the bottoms of your shoe is not only dangerous for other bowlers on your lane with you, but also against USBC rules. And scrubbing the slide area of your shoe actually lessens the amount of slide youíll get out of them normally because it increases the overall surface area of the material, thereby increasing the contact patch and friction on the approach.

I have an issue with sliding myself, and I found that itís because when I walk, I place a lot of my weight on the heels. I found a relatively inexpensive way to fix that with thin adhesive pads placed on or close to the heels of my right shoe, being as I am a lefty. After experimenting I found where and how much to put it. If you try this route, start slow, with a smaller pad, because you can easily slide too much and fall.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/26/18 10:31 AM

Certainly glad you mentioned that. I have been in so many arguments about powder on the floor, even the easy slide stuff. I don't need it and don't want to fall.

If I see a bowler using it, I tell them not to. If they do, I call the desk to clean the approach before I bowl.

Found a guy who put powder under the ball rack behind the seats. Stepped into it before he bowled. Well, the desk had to clean that too. He got upset, but, I don't care.

BTW, I find the regular Dexter shoes heel shreds in the slide. I have replaced a pair 3 times, under warranty. Won't wear them any more.
Posted by: W9JAB

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/26/18 11:03 AM

You want to slide? silicon spray will get you sliding.
Posted by: IronMike

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/26/18 01:16 PM

I used to have trouble sticking every once in a while (meaning once or twice a night I would not slide and either eat it or come very close). It was entirely my fault, sometimes I would just step wrong and plant my heel down.

You may already be doing this, but here's how I fixed it.

On my approach (standard 5 step approach, starting with the slide foot) I don't pick my foot up at all on the first step. I slide it forward on the pad, which gives me a feel for where my heel needs to be in order to slide. It also will tell me if something has gotten on my shoe that will cause me to stick, and I can abandon the shot right there if I need to, rather than stick at the line and die. This has helped me a ton and I rarely stick anymore.

That being said, if you are absolutely convinced it's the shoe and not you, probably best just to try to return those if they'll let you and get a different pair.
Posted by: djp1080

Re: Problems with my brand new bowling shoes - 01/26/18 02:42 PM

Originally Posted By: prov1x_nxt
My brand new bowling shoes will not slide at all. The shoe has almost like a carpet like texture on the bottom. I took a wire brush to the shoe and a bunch of fabric fell off of the shoe but the shoe still has a fabric like texture on the slide. What is this and is there any possible way to fix the shoe?

they are brand new out of the box. I took them straight from the box to my feet to the lanes with no slide. so back into the box and around my house on my carpet. back in the box, from the box to my feet on the lanes still nothing. like i said before they have a fabric like texture and also when i take a wire brush to them this all flakes off but its endless. and for the third or fourth time if it was my technique why can i slide in any other pair of shoes including the exactly same kind of shoes. but in other words no one knows what this is. best i can figure is they got wet in the factory or something. I dont know... i havent tried anything except the wire brush.

Coach, your wire brush must have some pretty harsh bristles.
From what I see the Ricky shoes both have the same sole which are rated S8. I use the S8 sole on my sliding shoe on the Dexter Tank which works nicely.
The S8 soles are called Microfiber. Not sure why anything would come off the sole by using a shoe brush.
If you'd call Dexter's help line, they'll answer your questions or you can send them an e-mail and explain what you're dealing with. Perhaps a picture of the sole might be in order, too.
If you bought them from a pro-shop, I suggest that you march over and show the PSO what you're experiencing. My PSO would likely replace them for me or get a different pair.
Sounds to me that there was something wrong with the shoe from the get-go and you need a new pair of shoes.
Dexter is a high class outfit in my opinion and they stand behind their products. I talked to the folks there about a year ago and complained about the shoe laces on my Tanks were wearing out way too quickly. In about a week they sent me a new pair and they're working out great.
On the other hand I did see that Brunswick sells a product called shoe stone which is supposed to help get your sole to slide more easily. I'd be afraid of it myself as I'd probably end up sliding and falling on the lanes. smile
Good luck Coach...