Tournament Results

Posted by: cgeorg

Tournament Results - 02/25/08 10:51 AM

So, bowled in my second ever regular handicap tournament yesterday. I've bowled in some other no taps, and a 3 6 9, cashed in 2 of those 3. However, I missed the cut in my last handicap tourney with some decent, but not spectacular bowling.

Last Tuesday, in my league outing, I bowled 170s 160s 125. Had 13 strikes, 4 spares, and 14 opens. Went out Saturday to the place that was holding the tournament. First game, I shot 10 pins on my first ball and strike ball on the second. 2nd game, 7 pins on my first ball, strike ball on the second. 3rd game, I just played for score. 4th and 5th, I used my other 2 balls to find a read on where I might be playing if I have to change lines. Also got my equipment refinished:

AMF VP2 - 4000 abralon
Big One - 2000 abralon, polished
Zone - 1000 abralon

Come Sunday, I get up nice and early to get there for the first squad, where 1 in 4 make it to the finals instead of 1 in 5. I get there at 10:10, giving myself plenty of time to prepare for the 10:30 start, and... it started at 10. Head to Lowe's to pick up some paint, and come back for the 11:30 squad. Turned out there were 6 in the first squad, so only 1 made it. 2nd squad ended up only had 4 bowlers (as did the 3rd), so I was better off waiting.

Shot is the THS for this house, I usually score very well here. Come out of the gate with a 216. I made a couple bad shots, but never really missed the pocket. Kept it clean. Move a pair, 257. Move a pair, 256. My previous best series was a 639, and I just beat it by 90 pins. Add my 33 pins handicap per game, for an 828. Needless to say, I made the cut.

Went home for lunch, got back for finals at 2:30. I got a bye into the championship round, being the high qualifier. The semifinal ended up at something 260-180. Took a couple practice shots on the final pair and I was really deep. I had started the day standing with my left foot on 35 - by now, I was a good 10 boards further in, using the VP2. Each shot, I just got up, did my pre shot routine, and told myself "1 shot, 1 at a time. Relax and trust it" And I did just that. Had the front 4 or 5 or 6 before I let one outside a little early, so it came back weak, leaving a 10. I had one pulled shot that went brooklyn, but other than that, I didn't miss the pocket (all day). Won the final 267 - 190something.

My last 3 games (257 256 267) were a 790. It's so great to finally put together the scores I know I'm capable of.

Also, the only spare I missed all tournament was shooting a 10 pin on the 12th ball of the last game, so I can forgive myself a lapse of concentration there.

Now I just need to hit up all the handicap tourneys I can before I get re-rated smile
Posted by: General Pounder

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 11:01 AM

Congrats and good bowling.
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 11:07 AM

Good bowling cgeorg. I wish there were more tournaments around me, or if there are they get promoted better because I the only time I see anything around me its an AMF thing other than the City and State tournaments. There's traveling tournament during the winter but I never see anything about it to see where on what weekends.
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 11:20 AM

Great bowling! Wish I could find some more tourney's around here too. They have a ton of ABT but that's about it. Now for the state tourney I have to figure out which average I get to use since the USBC card I got doesn't show an average on it. I was hoping to be able to carry over my 149 from last season, so I guess I'll see...
Posted by: General Pounder

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 11:30 AM

AmpleSound:

They should have the book so they will see your average from last year. I don't know why the cards this year don't show the averages anymore.
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 12:14 PM

Alright, thanks for the info GP. I was baffled as some people's cards have their average from last year, and some don't. lol Good to see that your's isn't there either. I sent the tourney info an e-mail just to be sure. laugh
Posted by: Atochabsh

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 12:31 PM

congrats on fantastic bowling!!

USBC told us that the reason the averages were not on the cards any longer is that by not having this info on them allowed them to qualify for cheaper mailing rate. It started just this winter season. So those that bought their card last summer, would still have the avearges on them.

Make sure you read tournament entry forms thoroughly. Many larger tournaments like State and Nationals require you to rerate yourself if you are currently averaging over 10 pins higher then your last book average.

Erin
Posted by: Lefty

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 12:46 PM

Nice bowling cgeorg!
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 12:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Atochabsh
congrats on fantastic bowling!!

USBC told us that the reason the averages were not on the cards any longer is that by not having this info on them allowed them to qualify for cheaper mailing rate. It started just this winter season. So those that bought their card last summer, would still have the avearges on them.

Make sure you read tournament entry forms thoroughly. Many larger tournaments like State and Nationals require you to rerate yourself if you are currently averaging over 10 pins higher then your last book average.

Erin


Well I just found the rules for our State Tournament! Looks like I'll be ok with the last years book average of 149! This will be great for handicap, granted I can even bowl up to par lol...

4. AVERAGES – USE HIGHEST 2006-2007 BOOK AVERAGE OF 21 GAMES OR MORE. If no 2006-2007 average, bowler may use his/her highest 2007 certified summer average of 21 games or more. If bowler has neither of these, they may use their highest 2007-2008 certified league average of 21 games or more as of the starting date of the tournament (March 29, 2008). If the bowler has none of these three averages, an average of 220 will be assigned with no handicap being offered. BOWLERS REQUIRED TO USE 2007 SUMMER AVERAGES must have the average verified by the Local Association Manager and attached to the entry form. BOWLERS REQUIRED TO USE A MARCH 29, 2008 AVERAGE must have the average verified by the league secretary, with verification presented at the time of bowling the first event. NO OUT OF STATE AVERAGES ACCEPTED.
Posted by: CoachJim

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 03:03 PM

Congrats Cgeorg I am surprised by the way you throw the ball that those aren't your normal scores. Get used to it you throw the ball well and definitely hit all the handicap tournaments you can. Especially the PA Dutchman tournament in Hershey this summer.
Posted by: Atochabsh

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 03:37 PM

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12. If the highest current certified league average (21 or more games) as of April 15, 2008 is 10 pins or more higher than the verified average of April 15, 2007, the higher average will be used. If the higher current average is not reported, bowler’s scores will be disqualified.


Here's what I mean. This is taken from our CA state entry form. But if your rules do not have something like this in it, then you are good to go. Though a tournament committee can rerate a bowler, they just have to give you notice and an opportunity for a refund of your entry fee.

Good luck, hit the tournaments while you can.

Erin
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 04:53 PM

I've heard the Maryland State Tournament has dropped the 10 pin rule that is similar to the one Erin just quoted. It wouldn't matter to me anyways, since my highest average this year is right around my highest from last year. I think Virginia waived the rule as well.
Posted by: mkee19

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 10:45 PM

Good job Cgeorg. Calvin, there are plenty of tournaments that I hit that are just up in PA. I take it you're in the Baltimore area right?
Posted by: Atochabsh

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 10:57 PM

I had to rerate myself in state many years ago now, from 168 to 205. The problem without that rule is that there's always someone that ups their average significantly, like me and Cgeorge and they have a huge advantage, but only for that year. Problem is that each year there are people like that. Having been in that situation I can see both sides of the issue. I worked hard to improve my average and therefore felt that I deserved that handicap. Now, without that rule, its just a matter of which person each year is in that situation, they will win. If you got to state every year, this can get old real fast.

And we are not talking about those that artificially keep their average down. So it then becomes a battle on two fronts. Those that have improved and those that cheat.

All I can tell you Cgeorg is that I cashed in A LOT of tournaments that year. I was rerated several times and still cashed. I was rerated twice in one monthly tournament. So that's why I tell you to hit as many tournaments now as you can if you are in that situation.

Erin
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Tournament Results - 02/25/08 11:16 PM

Yeah I'm in Baltimore, mkee19. I just don't see much in the way of fliers in the local centers for any unless it is something going on there. Like Perry Hall Lanes where the State was last year, they are having a No Tap for St. Patricks day, not sure if its on that day or what since there was no date on the flyer. I haven't even seen one for a few month long tournament in PA that starts in the next few months like I had in previous years. The way I've been rolling lately though....

Erin, as for the way I found out Maryland waived the rule for State was a guy on another forum. He said he had a yearbook of about 160something, worked hard over the summer and is now averaging 200+ and was told the rule was waived, he could use the yearbook and he is going to enter as many times as his money allows. I'm not sure how some will react since its on real wood lanes, and there aren't many of those around the Baltimore area.

I'd like to start bowling in the City, State and any others I can as money allows, and it hasn't allowed me to bowl the City this year.
Posted by: cgeorg

Re: Tournament Results - 02/26/08 08:01 AM

The thing is, last years league avg. was 178, and this year, while it was up to 189 at one point, is back down to 186, following a string of poor performances, some of which are completely my fault (hey, I have to pass the buck a *little*) I think it's more the atmosphere of my league than anything. Next year, I just need to find a more competitive league.

Realized something in the shower this morning. 267 final game + 33 pins handicap = 300.
Posted by: CoachJim

Re: Tournament Results - 02/26/08 10:27 AM

Your scores should not be a response to the caliber of your competition. If you can average 200 then you should be able to do it no matter if your competition averages 150 or 250. It is all about you, you need to focus on your game, your opponent doesn't have any say in how you bowl, but if your opponent is bowling bad and you don't put them away and start missing easy spares then that is you not focusing on your game.

That is the main reason why many people don't make it on tour because their opponent misses a shot and they don't have the stones to focus on their own game and put the game away, they see an opening and decide they can take it easy this game is in the bag, meanwhile their opponent sees an opening and strikes out to win the game. The point is stop being lazy and make the shot. I would suggest that you don't need to move on to the more competitive league unless you can average 190 or better. Remember you are the competition not your opponent.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Tournament Results - 02/26/08 11:07 AM

Valid point, CoachJim. There is no need to take on added pressure by moving up. Be the top where you are, and then repeat it. Should you sustain this position, then it may be time to move.

You could always bowl tournaments if you are looking for an additional challenge.
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Tournament Results - 02/26/08 11:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Atochabsh


Here's what I mean. This is taken from our CA state entry form. But if your rules do not have something like this in it, then you are good to go. Though a tournament committee can rerate a bowler, they just have to give you notice and an opportunity for a refund of your entry fee.

Good luck, hit the tournaments while you can.

Erin


Yeah I get what you mean, and hopefully I'll get to take that 149 average. Either way I know that it's the hard work I've put into getting better at the sport, and I've raised my average 21 pins! So for only throwing a hook for 14 months I feel I'm in a good place as to where I want to go with the sport. I just think my two year goal was a bit too small, as there is a lot more I have to learn. I do want a 180 average by the end of this season, though my recent slump is hampering that goal. I'm excited for state this year, and I'm also excited to bowl some more ABT! Best of luck to all, and high scores!
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Tournament Results - 02/26/08 11:30 AM

Originally Posted By: CoachJim
Your scores should not be a response to the caliber of your competition. If you can average 200 then you should be able to do it no matter if your competition averages 150 or 250. It is all about you, you need to focus on your game, your opponent doesn't have any say in how you bowl, but if your opponent is bowling bad and you don't put them away and start missing easy spares then that is you not focusing on your game.

That is the main reason why many people don't make it on tour because their opponent misses a shot and they don't have the stones to focus on their own game and put the game away, they see an opening and decide they can take it easy this game is in the bag, meanwhile their opponent sees an opening and strikes out to win the game. The point is stop being lazy and make the shot. I would suggest that you don't need to move on to the more competitive league unless you can average 190 or better. Remember you are the competition not your opponent.


Something my coach has told me, a lot! Even when he brought in a pro for me to bowl against I heard "if you give him an opening he'll close the door on you!" LOL and I did just that. Though it was an interesting challenge for my mental game. Now I just do what my abilities allow, and I encourage my teammates as well as the opposing teams. If the opponent is cleaning up frames I know I can't do anything about it, besides do my job and follow suit.
Posted by: cgeorg

Re: Tournament Results - 04/07/08 10:20 AM

Another day, another tournament. I bit more disappointed in this one, but in hindsight, I didn't do bad.

Haven't bowled in this house in over year. It's my dad's league house - the owner is a real good guy, and he actually remembered me from then. He drilled my first fingertip ball for me - started with an 8 lane center, and managed to save enough to buy a 30 lane center in the same town.

Anyways, I figured it would be a house shot, since it was a 90% of 210 tournament. 3 games, break while the re-condition, 3 more games. I got into the scratch option as well, and a couple scratch and handicap brackets. Finally got to toss my first practice ball, and it was wet. Initial line was somewhere between straight up 10 or straight up 7. I couldn't tell you - apparently my "straight up the boards" execution has gone out the window. I had no area, and missing by a board meant trouble. 158ish for the first game, then I came back in the 180s or 190s for the next 2 games. They were paying to 13 places, and I was in 12th I think after 3 games. Also, even with the 150, I got through 2 of my brackets in the first round, and went all the way with both of them.

Had lunch, got back. This time I had a plan. Grabbed the Infinite One going straight up 5. That started to over-react by the end of practice, so I moved in 2 and 1. Gave myself a little bit of miss room both ways, right? Well, I kept missing inside, and it held pocket the first 2 times, and then came the splits. Ball change, line change, just couldn't get it. 150 to open again. This time I was in 8 brackets (my winnings from the first round, minus 10 bucks that I pocketed). Moved down to the other end, and the lanes were hooking a bit more. I don't know what my 5th game was, probably 170 or 180. Finally, in the last game, I just moved in to my A game area (crossing arrows between 13 and 15), grabbed the Total for a slightly earlier read, and started getting around it enough that it would finish no matter where I put it. Finally, area! 4 pin, 10 pin, moved for a 4 pin, moved for another 10 pin, and then strikes. Finished with a 215.

I came in at last years book of 178. This year my current avg is 183, so I got to use last years. I averaged 182 for the tournament, only 4 over average. I placed 8th. I missed 2 single pin spares that, had I made them, would have boosted me to 5th, and added $145 to my pocket. I can't get mad at myself for leaving splits, and I can get a little frustrated for the 2 multi pin spares that I made bad shots at, but those 2 single pin brain [censored] cost me 70 bucks each. I ended up going all the way with the 2 brackets I got through in the second set as well.

The pay line was actually under 210/game, with handicap, so I feel a bit better about my performance now than I did when I was on the lanes. The scratch bowlers all seemed to hit around their average.

So,
Paid: 60 + 20 + 10 + 25 + 40 = $155
Won: 80 + 50 + 50 = $180

Lessons:
1) Don't miss single pin spares
2) Practice playing straight up the boards, and minimal angles near the gutter.
3) Get my fingertips redrilled on most of my balls - the pitches are all different. I can deal with the middle finger, but my forward/reverse is different on some ring fingers, and that really f's with your release.
4) Until I don't have an 'A' game, and can bowl wherever I need to, I need to find a way to make my A game work as soon as possible on the condition. I probably could have just slowed down my ball a little bit and played 3rd arrow all day, changing balls when necessary.

Next tournament is next Sunday, 3 minutes from my house. They put out less oil, and you can actually see the dry boards outside. Even at the foul line, the last 3 boards have no oil. Gonna get my stuff taken to higher abralon numbers, get a little more polish on it, and go to town.
Posted by: CoachJim

Re: Tournament Results - 04/07/08 10:33 AM

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I probably could have just slowed down my ball a little bit and played 3rd arrow all day, changing balls when necessary.


From what you described it sounds like that was the move, play a slow hook off of the bounce area.

All of the moves you make should be based off of your "A" game which gives you a different reaction, but you feel as though you are still playing your "A" game. Changing your finger position, finger pressure, ball speed, where you are playing at, ball you use shouldn't change your "A" game.

It sounded to me like when you were missing left of target that you lost your alignment to your target especially when you missed the two single pin spares, that is a sign of miss alignment, or early timing caused by pulling the ball through.
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Tournament Results - 04/21/08 09:52 AM

Well I bowled pretty darn good for the team part of the Colorado State USBC tourney. First game I had a couple of opens for a 203. Second game I also had a couple of opens, but shot a 223. Third game I shot a 184, as I was all or nothing in that game... For some strange reason I couldn't hit my single pin spares to save my life. Only one I converted was a 9 pin leave... Though I'm still plenty happy with a 610 series at state, I'd be even happier if I shot at least one clean game. As a team we shot a 3514 which barely puts us in the cash lol. Oh well, singles and doubles next Sunday!
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 01:15 AM

I was asked to be a doubles partner by two people I know in a local Handicap Singles/Doubles tournament. You can enter as many times as you like in the Doubles event, so I bowled twice today. I have already bowled 3 weeks ago, and frankly, had trouble with the oil patterns, struggling with a 540 in the Singles and 560 in the Doubles. So, today, I decided to change balls.

I pulled out my Dull balls which I rarely use, and roughed them up with the Burgandy Scotch Brite, that I think is 320 grit. This proved to be much better as they grabbed the lane better, didn't slide, and actually finished.

I finished with 620 first set and 640 second set. Adding my 20 pins cap made me respectable. Even with my partners who each had higher cap, both sets were about 1400. A far cry from the top Doubles over 1500.

What it did was make a decision for me as to which balls I would bring to Nationals. The Scorchin Inferno and the Total Shock & Awe are back in my bag. The Shift and the BigRBang are out. So, I will bring 4 balls. The other two are the Conqueror and the Terminator. I will not bring a spare ball, 1 for space, and 2 because I can kill the Terminator for corner pins. So I will have 2 polished and 2 dull balls. I of each drilled for early arc and for length.

It was strange to see the top Singles score over 900. A 175 bowler had his first ever 800 series, and added 40 pins cap per game at 90%/220.
Posted by: CoachJim

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 08:08 AM

I can see a 175 bowler with his first 700, but an 800 is very suspect, that is true sandbagging, you can learn a lot from that guy Dennis.
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 08:41 AM

Last weekend in the squad after the one I bowled in the AMF Doubles Tour a guy bowled 840something, with games of 300, 240something, and 300. I heard it was three 10 pins that second game. His team only finished third, he wasn't in the optional single scratch pot, and I'm assuming he took first in the optional single handicap pot. He does get a little bit of handicap so I know he is under 220 since the handicap is 90%/220.
Posted by: CoachJim

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 08:59 AM

Cal just under 220 is a far cry from just under 180 and your guy would have lost to Dennis' guy by over 100 pins!

I still think it is more respectable to get a shotgun and a ski mask and just rob the tournament office than to sandbag like that, but maybe it is just my way of thinking.
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 09:41 AM

I wasn't saying the guy sandbagged. Averaging over 200 shotting an 800 isn't inconceivable it just takes more carry than one normally has and in this case almost all carry which is more of what I was referring to.

Now a 175 bowler either got extremely lucky or sandbags either by throwing off or sticking to leagues in the tougher houses that help keep averages down. I've heard that several people in my area stick to the tougher houses for that reason. Sandbagging is something I guess I'll never understand as I want to do the best I can every time I step up on the lanes in competition, if that means I have to bowl with no handicap so be it.
Posted by: cgeorg

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 10:59 AM

Bowling your best in a tough house is not sandbagging, IMO. I will always seek out the hardest shot I can for my leagues. If that means I get an advantage in tournaments, so be it. Maybe those other people should stop bowling on cake shots.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 11:12 AM

One thing I noticed was the tournament operators didn't distinguish between House averages or Sport League averages. They took an average as of Dec 31, supplied by the House for verification. So, if the 175 bowler was bowling on a PBA shot or not was not clear. They did have a list of the PBA Pros that they did check against.

One fellow, who bowls as an amateur in local PBA tournaments was bowling on the lanes next to us. He had a House average of over 230 and his lowest game of 6 was 237, with a couple of 279's mixed in. But, he was bowling in the mixed doubles with a woman pro whose lowest game was 231 for 6 games.

They left with the top spot of mixed doubles. One of their games was 279 for him and 268 for her. At that level, there really shouldn't be any difference to distinguish a man from a woman. I've seen 3 woman pros bowl, and they all shot over 700 scratch.

If I remember correctly from the posted score sheet, Dave Traber was on the top Doubles score, and GP's friend Biondo was second on that list. It's not on the internet or I would link you. Traber had an 830 and his partner had a mid 700.

It's good to rub elbows, and really see the difference between their game and mine. Where I will have 3, maybe 4 good first balls a game, they will routinely have 8-9.
Posted by: Calvin Pistorio

Re: Tournament Results - 05/04/08 09:03 PM

Cgeorg, bowling at a tougher house isn't sandbagging, but a tournament can re-rate you if they know that particular house is like that. Some people have also bowled in leagues that are certified, but are using sport complaint patterns but not registering as sport shot leagues so they don't have to use the sport shot adjustment. I bowl in a variety of houses to get different conditions some hard, some middle of the road and some good.