Plastic ball championship

Posted by: SteveH

Plastic ball championship - 04/07/14 12:16 PM

in 2009. I guess they don;t have this one anymore?

Posted by: Dylan585

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/07/14 12:57 PM

I dont believe they have it anymore... I remember i got second at the proam for that event
Posted by: SteveH

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/07/14 05:43 PM

You started tournaments pretty darn young.
Posted by: champ

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/07/14 06:10 PM

Sadly its a thing of the past. I believe they only held it twice. As I recall, a lot of players boycotted the event. `I really enjoy watching them though.

It really adds fuel to the fire when debating if the balls or the lanes are the reason scores are so high.
Posted by: SteveH

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/07/14 06:37 PM

I would say in most leagues, it's the lanes. I've witnessed 210 average bowlers roll 150's and 170's when confronted with any real oil.

That match with Barnes and Weber was fun to watch.
Posted by: Dylan585

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/07/14 08:19 PM

I started bowling when i was 6 and it was a no tap tournament... But i really enjoy watching bowling when they have controlled equipment... Another such example is the teen masters in which they are only allowed a single plastic ball and a single plastic ball
Posted by: B-Hammer

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/08/14 11:20 AM

When the ball manufactures make up half your sponsors and have no interest in sponsoring the event then you can't have the event.
Posted by: TheBigCat

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/08/14 12:01 PM

Originally Posted By: champ
Sadly its a thing of the past. I believe they only held it twice. As I recall, a lot of players boycotted the event. `I really enjoy watching them though.

It really adds fuel to the fire when debating if the balls or the lanes are the reason scores are so high.


Hey Champ!...how goes it?

a lot of things go into the making of high scores, but if the choices are the balls or the lane conditions, the lane conditions win by a huge, huge margin.
just one example...
i bowled in a notorious league in Detroit called the Playdium. it was there under the guise of people wanting to bowl on tough conditions, but was really so guys could book low averages without having to intentionally miss pins.
the conditions were crazy hard, and most of the league was guys that averaged between 210 and 235 on 'normal' conditions. no one could average 200, and we were allowed to use any bowling ball we wanted. most guys were in the 170s.
if you took the same bowlers, and put us on an easy house shot, most of us could average over 200 without reactive balls.

another example is the senior scratch tournaments in which i bowl.
one group always bowls on tough shots, the other is always on whatever house shot the houses put out there.
to make the cut to match-play on the tough shots usually takes an average of 195-205, on the easy shots its 230-240. same bowlers, same bowling balls, different conditions.
take away reactive balls and all the scores would drop, but the discrepancies would be about the same.

balls help, but scores are determined by lane conditions.
Posted by: rrb6699 (RayRay)

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/08/14 08:32 PM

In Brandon, FL, at least once if not twice a year they have an amateur plastic ball tournament. i cannot wait to go this year and throw my old Bleeders and White Dots again. I know it is coming sometime this summer. I did check the results from last year and surprisingly the highest score(s) were only about 100 over for the 6 games.

You can use any plastic ball you own as long as it's legal in the event. I remember one in the DC /MD/ VA area as well not long ago. dont know if that one is still being held though.

I wish they have more plastic ball only events.
Posted by: Dylan585

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/08/14 10:41 PM

I wosh there were more too... They even the playong field... I would struggle seeing that i dont carry plastic lol
Posted by: Joe Bowler

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/09/14 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By: TheBigCat
a lot of things go into the making of high scores, but if the choices are the balls or the lane conditions, the lane conditions win by a huge, huge margin.

I agree. Different lane conditions make it easier/harder for everybody to score, just like different holes on a golf course are recognized to have a different par value. However, you need to have the right ball, right line, and right release to maximize your scoring potential on a particular condition, just like choosing the right club(s) and strategy to play a particular hole. One thing is for sure...no matter what the condition, some will like it, and some will not.

Personally, I would like to see another plastic ball championship, especially since I came up with a Leverage/Differential Plastic Ball layout that outperforms Mo Pinel's PBA Plastic Ball layout which was used to win the last tournament. It's funny to me that Mo's forum banned me and a friend for such forward thinking. However, this forum had already banned the other forum's URL. Hehe, poetic. It's probably best to keep things that way. In any case, you can Google "Lev/Diff Plastic Ball Layout" for a critical analysis of the layout on the other forum.
Posted by: BIGHMW

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/09/14 01:42 PM

Originally Posted By: rrb6699 (RayRay)
You can use any plastic ball you own as long as it's legal in the event. I remember one in the DC /MD/ VA area as well not long ago. dont know if that one is still being held though.

I wish they have more plastic ball only events.


Could I use my bowling trademark, my circa-1999 Ebonite Skull ball I normally use for spares or is it banned because of its uniqueness?

Jason Couch used it in the 1999 TOC telecast and it was the first time I'd seen it back then, I'm fortunate to own 3 of them, 2 16# ones (one drilled and one I have on display, both proudly made in the U.S.A.), the other one is the imported 15# Optyx version of it, drilled, and I proudly use it on the lanes.
Posted by: SteveH

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/09/14 02:02 PM

No question the lane conditions impact everyone in some way. It's a huge challenge for me, but I do appreciate the changes even from week to week. Currently, I guess someone's stirring up a hornet's nest between an old time lanes and the tournament conditions. I have no idea what the conditions are myself, haven't been down there. But the owner is despondent over the criticism, saying you just can't please everyone.

Very true. The best bowlers tend to adjust to most anything, depending on their experience level. Those that limit themselves will fin it much harder. Yes, we have league bowlers that almost cry when there's more than a thimble full worth of oil. Hey, some nights my game is thoroughly confused for the lanes, but I try to learn.
Posted by: rrb6699 (RayRay)

Re: Plastic ball championship - 04/09/14 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: BIGHMW


Could I use my bowling trademark, my circa-1999 Ebonite Skull ball I normally use for spares or is it banned because of its uniqueness?

Jason Couch used it in the 1999 TOC telecast and it was the first time I'd seen it back then, I'm fortunate to own 3 of them, 2 16# ones (one drilled and one I have on display, both proudly made in the U.S.A.), the other one is the imported 15# Optyx version of it, drilled, and I proudly use it on the lanes.


yeah if it is plastic, you can use it. their decision is final. the thing most bowlers make a mistake in doing is coming in with a Urethane ball thinking it is plastic.

can i get one of those balls??? ;0