Global gone from the Tour

Posted by: VampyreBowler

Global gone from the Tour - 09/04/12 03:38 PM

I just saw and commented a couple of times on a Robert Smith poll question if people would still bowl with equipment not sanctioned by the PBA and stated that Global decided not to renew the contract with the PBA. So far that is 2 companies that decided against paying the fee for registering for PBA with Morich doing the same a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Fin09

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/04/12 04:35 PM

Licensing fees for small companies such as Global and Morich make it tough to compete with the big boys, and unfortunately, anyone who might aspire to bowl in PBA events would not be making a good decision to purchase equipment that they'd have to leave home when going to a tournament. I understand there was a regional registration program available, but with no TV exposure, it doesn't make sense to me for them to participate.
Shortsightedness by the PBA in my opinion. They're trying to nickel and dime their way into surviving another season (every year it seems). I know the reg program has been in place for a long time, but it seems like they're pinching pennies, when they could try and collect a certain amount for each ball sold and charge nothing up front. I'd pay an extra $3-5/ball if I had to. Prices go up every year or two anyway- might as well make it go towards something worthwhile.
Posted by: slaterracing

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/04/12 04:45 PM

So I take it that we wont see Missy Parkin in her pink global shirt anymore. I wonder if she will move to another company like Track. I know that is were WRW went last year.
Posted by: B-Hammer

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/04/12 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: slaterracing
So I take it that we wont see Missy Parkin in her pink global shirt anymore. I wonder if she will move to another company like Track. I know that is were WRW went last year.


WRWJ is with Brunswick http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/pros/walter-ray-williams-jr/.

I'm fine with the PBA charging a fee, but the manufacturers need to get more out of it then just allowing their equipment to be used.
Posted by: lmfcoa

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/04/12 08:03 PM

Originally Posted By: VampyreBowler
I just saw and commented a couple of times on a Robert Smith poll question if people would still bowl with equipment not sanctioned by the PBA and stated that Global decided not to renew the contract with the PBA. So far that is 2 companies that decided against paying the fee for registering for PBA with Morich doing the same a couple of years ago.


Visionary made the same decision back in 2009

http://visionarybowling.com/?p=112
Posted by: sk8shorty01

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/04/12 11:13 PM

The big issues for those smaller companies is that they aren't getting exposure even on TV because the majority of the small companies cannot gain interest from the bigger pros, at least not the ones making TV consistently.

So these small companies can't get big names on TV and have to pay the same price as the bigger companies, not only that but the smaller companies cannot spend the money on R&D that the big boys do so they are behind in technology as well.

Companies like Global, AMF, Morich, etc just cannot keep up with the money Brunswick, Ebonite and Storm are throwing out at new products and big name bowlers.

Think of the list of bowlers that bowled for Global and how much money they were spending to watch them miss cuts and get knocked out in match play early.

Haugen was their biggest name and he rarely makes TV.

Voss is a huge name but hes not really a threat to make TV anymore.

And Robert Smith was a good bowler but considering I have only seen him make a singles title TV finals twice in my entire time bowling he isn't bringing exposure either.

Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 06:28 AM

For more than a few years, WRW was on TV almost weekly using MoRich balls. And, MoRich saw very little return in their PBA payment investment. So, they backed off. One year, WRW paid their fee himself so he could use their balls. I really wonder what benefit the ball companies get in return for the payment.

Is the champion the ball or the bowler? I contend, the bowler.

Other Sports have rules prohibiting players from wearing advertisement on their uniforms. Some bowlers look like walking billboards. It degrades the Sport.

Everyone knows Baseball players use Hillerich & Bradsby or Louisville Slugger Bats as you often see the label. Same with Wilson or Mizuno Gloves. Yet, those products don't have to pay to be used. I frankly don't know what Tennis Racket is being used. And, if I didn't see a swoosh on a jersey, I wouldn't know which one it was. Only the PBA demands this payment. The bowling winner didn't use the best ball, only the one who paid him to use it and paid the PBA for it to be used. Those ball companies who pay have bought a market. And, in my mind, have not earned it.

This payment is just one of the irrational things the PBA has done over the years to degrade the Sport.

In a day where Bowling is searching for sponsorship for prize money, the PBA should force the equipment companies to sponsor the event to get their name broadcast. The money should go to the winning bowlers, not the PBA.
Posted by: Fin09

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 08:55 AM

The sports that don't allow the walking billboards have prize funds big enough that the players don't need to beg everyone for sponsorship so they can continue to compete.
We're watching a lot of the US Open tennis, and when the #20 seeded woman (Vinci) played #2 (Radwanska) the other day (I had vaguely heard of #2, had no idea who #20 was), they mentioned that the #2 seed had made $10m in her career, and the #20 had made almost $4m, or almost as much as WRW has made in 30 some odd years on tour. Vinci is 29, and 15 of her 22 titles have been in doubles.
The disparity of top athletes' earnings is ridiculous when you try to compare bowlers to tennis players or golfers. Tiger just went over $100m in career earnings (prize money only).
Posted by: sk8shorty01

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 10:19 AM

Other sports do mandate payments and contracts with companies for their equipment to be used as well, its not just bowling.

The NFL just signed a huge contract, which including a payment to the NFL, with NIKE to be the official apparel company for the teams uniforms and sideline gear. The company prior to them was REEBOK and they were outbid this time around.

So because NIKE paid more, REEBOK cannot be worn by any NFL players on the field, sideline, or during press conferences.

The NFL is the most profitable sport in the world right now I do believe, they were a 9 Billion dollar franchise last year, 9 Billion!
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 10:40 AM

$9 Billion for the NFL alone I'm guessing? Because there was an article out recently on the top 50 most valuable teams in the world, and there were at least 11 or 12 NFL teams on that list at over a billion dollars each.

It's ridiculous in all reality, and until the PBA opens the floodgates for bigger and better sponsors, then it will continue to be a Professional Sport that is struggling to survive...
Posted by: champ

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 11:13 AM

I wonder what the PBA is doing to try to help itself. We know they pay to be on TV, rather than being paid. We know they are slotted during NFL games, and if they were going to get any viewership at all, it wouldn't be during football. We know sponsors don't want to jump on board because there is no tv viewership, and because the PBA has been a sinking ship since the mid to late 90s.

Sooner or later the PBA will have to accept that unlike football, or tennis, or golf, non-participants of bowling don't tune in to watch...and with a reduced number of bowlers year after year, they'll never have the viewership base to draw in sponsors. (And though they've been trying to fool themselves like the rest of the industry, a once a year cyber bowler is not a participant.)

For years, the PBA has tried to re-invent professional bowling to appeal to a larger market...instead they need to re-invent the professional bowlers association if they want to survive.
Posted by: VampyreBowler

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 11:15 AM

But which companies would sponsor the pba? Most the people that watch the pba are the more hardcore bowlers. Your average open bowler probably doesn't even know that there is bowling on tv.
Posted by: B-Hammer

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 11:31 AM

Originally Posted By: AmpleSound
until the PBA opens the floodgates for bigger and better sponsors, then it will continue to be a Professional Sport that is struggling to survive...


Those gates are open, there just isn't much in the stream.

Sk8 is correct, for equipment to be used it has to be officially licensed by that sport.

With that said their is no shortage of quality equipment for the bowlers to chose from, and while some of the bowlers will complain about not being able to use their previous brand, the best bowlers will still be the best.

Maybe the PBA can do more to promote the brands that make the shows like have their ball reps or another bowler from that brand sit in the booth for a few minutes and talk about the brand.
Posted by: champ

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 11:54 AM

Originally Posted By: VampyreBowler
But which companies would sponsor the pba? Most the people that watch the pba are the more hardcore bowlers. Your average open bowler probably doesn't even know that there is bowling on tv.


That's the point I was trying to make. Open bowling types don't know the PBA is on tv, and if they did, they wouldn't tune in to watch it. If the PBA is going to stay on tv, its up to them to find the sponsors. If I were in charge, I'd be trying to figure out how to make money without being on TV. TV is ancient technology, considering how powerful the internet can be. I'm not marketing specialist, but it doesn't take one to know that its a losing battle forcing the PBA to be on tv, and with a good marketing specialist on their side, they could probably do better without it.
Posted by: B-Hammer

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 12:08 PM

Originally Posted By: champ
I wonder what the PBA is doing to try to help itself. We know they pay to be on TV, rather than being paid. We know they are slotted during NFL games, and if they were going to get any viewership at all, it wouldn't be during football. We know sponsors don't want to jump on board because there is no tv viewership, and because the PBA has been a sinking ship since the mid to late 90s.


The PBA actually had/has better numbers then Hockey for non-playoff games on cable. The problem is the people watching PBA broadcasts aren't buying what the advertisers are pushing. Or what they are buying needs to be purchased in such a quantity that it needs a massively bigger audience. Like a car manufacturer wouldn't care if only 100 people watched a show if all 100 of those people bought their car, but for a beer manufacturer you'd need thousands of people buying that beer for them to get ROI.

The PBA really does need to find a new time slot because with the time slot that it's at, it's viewership which I'm guessing also really likes football, is more likely to DVR the pba broadcast then to watch it live. Anything watched lived (sporting events for sure) earns extra points with the sponsors simply because you can't skip through the ads.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 01:13 PM

Originally Posted By: sk8shorty01
Other sports do mandate payments and contracts with companies for their equipment to be used as well, its not just bowling.

The NFL just signed a huge contract, which including a payment to the NFL, with NIKE to be the official apparel company for the teams uniforms and sideline gear. The company prior to them was REEBOK and they were outbid this time around.



This is totally different. You are talking about uniforms. I'm talking about equipment.

Let's ezuate this to Golf, where there are many golf club companies, sponsoring players and providing equipment. Yet, none of them have to pay juice to the PGA. And, golfers are not allowed to have labels, insignias, etc on their shirts. They may wear a golf cap or a tagged shirt, but not the names of their clubs, balls, grips, shoes or any other form of advertising.

My nephew is a Pro Golfer, sopnsored by Callaway. He does wear Callaway labeled shirts and visors, and of course, uses his free set of callaway clubs. but, Callaway doesn't have to pay the PGA for his use of equipment.

If a bowling company wants to sponsor a bowler, they should have that right without any payment to the PBA.
Posted by: FruitFly

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 03:54 PM

It'll soon be only brunswick, strom and they affiliated companies I'd say. And this is clearly a management problem.
Just lay off the whole head staff and leave it in the competent hands of the UBA (Underground bowling association).
They know what (modern) viewers want to see.
Drama and fun on a regular basis.

If the sport shall survive they need to change the audiance.
Posted by: champ

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: FruitFly
If the sport shall survive they need to change the audiance.


They've tried that, a few times. In the 90s they had arena bowling, with exciting intros complete with black lights, fog machines, rock music, and edgy personas. They wanted to make it more exciting, and combined with the scorefests that the shows turned into in the 90s, the rating continued to plummit. They've also tried to make the image less about beer and smoking, and more about professional, white collar athletes, much like golf, but that hasn't grabbed any attention either. Bowling is the game of the blue collar, the every-man's game. It always has been, it always will be, and they need to further embrace it rather than attempting another identity crisis type change to grab viewers they're never gonna get.
Posted by: metguy

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 07:29 PM

I think Global's dropping from the tour should come as no surprise. During tough economic times, companies have to make tough decisions. The middle class americans are struggling and that is the base of bowling. Leagues are feeling it and so are the companies that supply the sport.

It used to be that everyone was on a fairly even playing field. Pick up ball, point it, and throw. Every ball out there was pretty much the same as the next. It was a simplistic game back then. Todays game is everything but simplistic. You have multiple style covers with weight blocks, multi-layers oil patterns, and reactions that some can attain while others can't. Techniques have evolved also, it has become very complicated. The cost has skyrocketed while the gap between the average bowler and todays technology has widened. No longer can the average person walk onto a league and compete (without the handicap).

The trash talking has also not been good for the sport. It's a form of bullyism on the emotional level. League bowlers aren't kids, and they don't have a problem with finding another sport to occupy their time.

Before the sport implodes it might be a good idea to reel it back in some and let the base catch up with technology. It serves no good to invest in the R&D if nobody can understand it.
Posted by: 10PinGaloot

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 08:46 PM

PBA, NFL, MLB - they're all the same thing. Privately held corporations trying to make a profit for their owners.

They care about one thing only - money. Period. Is that so bad? If you think so, don't watch their shows.

I for one enjoy watching bowling. And I get my money's worth every time I watch it on YouTube.


Posted by: metguy

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/05/12 09:05 PM

That is a good point 10pingaloot. After all, my softball league isn't run by MLB, college football isn't run by the NFL, so why should league bowling be run by the PBA thru the USBC? Let them sink or swim on their own dollar...
Posted by: sk8shorty01

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/06/12 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Originally Posted By: sk8shorty01
Other sports do mandate payments and contracts with companies for their equipment to be used as well, its not just bowling.
The NFL just signed a huge contract, which including a payment to the NFL, with NIKE to be the official apparel company for the teams uniforms and sideline gear. The company prior to them was REEBOK and they were outbid this time around.

This is totally different. You are talking about uniforms. I'm talking about equipment.
Let's ezuate this to Golf, where there are many golf club companies, sponsoring players and providing equipment. Yet, none of them have to pay juice to the PGA. And, golfers are not allowed to have labels, insignias, etc on their shirts. They may wear a golf cap or a tagged shirt, but not the names of their clubs, balls, grips, shoes or any other form of advertising.
My nephew is a Pro Golfer, sopnsored by Callaway. He does wear Callaway labeled shirts and visors, and of course, uses his free set of callaway clubs. but, Callaway doesn't have to pay the PGA for his use of equipment.
If a bowling company wants to sponsor a bowler, they should have that right without any payment to the PBA.


So what about the licensed footballs the NFL uses, NIKE...

What about the cleats, all of them... NIKE

How about the gloves, yup, NIKE... Those are all pieces of equipment that the players have to wear because NIKE paid the NFL.

The difference is the PBA allows all the companies that want in to join as long as they pay their fee, the NFL takes the highest bidder and none of the other companies are allowed to participate.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/06/12 01:28 AM

And, what about different golf balls, and clubs, selected by the golfer? Or the Baseball Glove that each ball player has to wear, but each is the choice of the player. A player's choice is resected in certain equipment, without juice payment.

I can understand uniforms and a standardized ball for Football and Basketball.

What if all bowlers HAD to use the same ball, and the playing field was the same for all? Oh, you'll probably say the field dimensions are the same, but the surface could be different, as grass and astro turf.

Point being, when a player has a particular need to use specific equipment, he should be allowed to.
Posted by: B-Hammer

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/06/12 03:15 AM

The missing piece of the puzzle is the television contract.

The PGA doesn't need to get income from the manufacturers because it has a TV contract as the back bone of it's financial success. It can then let the players use whatever USGA certified equipment they want, free of charge.

Without the television contract the PBA needs to operate like an infomercial where it will buy a TV spot but then charge the manufacturers of the equipment for the right to display their products on the broadcast. Each manufacturer has their set cost, and then a variable cost on who they want to gamble on making a show. But since it is an infomercial format, the PBA really should make more of an attempt to showcase the product, or like every other major sport, get ESPN out of ownership and go get bids for a TV contract.

The PBA can not survive on extra frame, and can only make so much money off the manufacturers, it needs to get a TV contract and needs to get some gate money, then trickle down that money throughout the industry.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/06/12 06:55 AM

Check this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/6970/fans-dislike-nbas-uniform-advertising-plan

NBA Teams to sell ad space on Jerseys, is unpopular with fans.

But, the Team sells it. I equate the Bowler as an individual Team. So, the Bowler sould receive the revenue from this ad selling, not the league.

This is the way the older Teams did it under the ABC management, with Budweiser Beer and Terryton Cigarette Sponsors.
Posted by: Fin09

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/06/12 09:52 AM

A bowler can grab any jersey he likes out of his closet to wear on the telecast that day, as long as it meets the PBA's licensing requirements. A football player is required to wear the exact same uniform as his teammates every week. He doesn't have the choice of wearing his Reebok or Nike jersey. There is leeway on shoes, of course, but that's the only visible part of his uniform that is not required to be identical to the rest of the team.
I know the PBA's marketing department is constantly looking for sponsors, so there's no point asking "why not So and so?" what I find unacceptable is that there is no beer sponsor, no automobile sponsor, and no real tech sponsor. Look at what we have (and have had recently)- Barbasol, Geico, Lumber Liquidators, and "as seen on tv" infomercial type products. Bowlers load up their Ford Explorers, hit the McDonalds drive thru (or Burger King, Wendy's, Arby's, or Taco Bell), and drink Miller Lite or Bud Light while bowling. None of them sponsor bowling. If every center was required to donate $.05 for each beer they sold to the PBA, sponsorship would probably be a non-issue. I doubt most bowlers would really notice the difference when they were settling up their bar tab at the end of the night.
Posted by: BIGHMW

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 09/07/12 09:18 PM

Sell the PBA to Cindy Margolis, even she can run the PBA better than THESE clowns-so-called "owners" have been since they bought it back in 2000.

ESPN does absolutely nothing to promote the Tour, and it proves in the dismal Nielsen ratings, the bombing of the TOC on what was supposed to have been the triumphant return of the PBA being back on ABC for the first time since 1997 (no spots/commercials/TOC promos on ABC programming and no billboard space bought from Clear Channel, Lamar, or CBS, as they (the PBA clowns/owners) wanted us to do their work for them via the web/facebook/myspace/twitter/word of mouth/flyering, etc), and the time slot it has on Sundays considering the competition the other networks, especially ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC have going up against it, Cindy Margolis would be a better owner of the PBA and she would do her absolute best (she has a Bachelor's degree in Business from Cal State Northridge) to make sure the sponsors are there (and more of them) in the demographics the PBA wants to target (18-49-year-olds, the MTV generation and generations x/y/z).

These would include Pepsi, how about infusing new companies into the mix, like Ice-Watch (www.ice-watch.com), whom could sponsor the "Ice-Watch Change of The Day/Match" (Ice-Watch's slogan is "Change. You Can.") involving tactical changes like a ball or line change that wins the title for that player, or even how about getting Bridgestone/Firestone back in the mix for the first time since 1993, and even have PBA Golden Girl herself Kelly Kulick in their commercials like she was earlier this year. We already have Bayer aspirin, and with more non-Bayer/Brunswick-related brands/companies and sponsors (excluding the 1-800 TV offers) the PBA would become from a joke to a powerhouse much like Vince McMahon took a fledgling regional promotion like World Wrestling Entertainment (WWF/WWE) and turned it into the multi-billion dollar global empire that it is now. If Vince McMahon can do it, so can Cindy Margolis, provided she buys the PBA first.

BTW, Ice-Watch is the hottest timepiece in Europe and here is one of their spots that floods the air/cable waves throughout Europe (if only I could see Osku, Belmo, Mika, Dom Barrett or Stuart Williams wearing one on TV now):




Posted by: wronghander

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/02/15 12:33 PM

Global is back on the tour. They also signed Barnes.

http://www.900global.com/newglobalshop/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Press-Release.pdf
Posted by: wronghander

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/06/15 11:58 PM

Chris Barnes sat down last night with Mike Flanagan of Inside Bowling for a 40 minute interview. Good informative stuff there, some of you Storm fans may be interested in knowing that Barnes is throwing some Storm/Roto stuff right now as well due to the two companies' partnership. Also Del Ballard Jr. will act as ball rep for 900 Global on tour in addition to being tour rep for Storm and Roto.

Check it out - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfLxw6cKb7U
Posted by: Richie V.

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/07/15 10:54 PM

900 Global's re-registration also brought Robert "Maximum Bob" Smith out of retirement.
Posted by: BIGHMW

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/08/15 09:08 AM

This is GREAT NEWS to hear, perhaps maybe my long-time bowling idol, Brian Voss just might once again be a threat to contend for titles, even at his age. I think it's great to hear that Storm and Roto-Grip-sponsored players may soon have yet another set of weaponry they can use in their ball arsenal, the power of a Storm/Roto-Grip/900 Global merger would be HUGE for not only the bowling industry, but also, the PBA, and those 3 companies' staffers, and we already know about the heavily-promoted merger of Brunswick with AMF and BowlMor Lanes.
Posted by: SteveH

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/08/15 11:35 AM

I don't think it's the case that Storm equipment will be used by 900 Global staffers, Chis Barnes stated "He can't", when asked about it. Voss has been using another ball, does he just dump them? Also, Voss was fairly adamant about what he thinks of the new equipment anyway, would he make a good spokesperson?

I think the bigger question here is who will get the Brunswick equipment business? One rumor was Ebonite, but I think a new suitor would be better for the business.
Posted by: champ

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/08/15 01:18 PM

In the interview Barnes did with InsideBowling, Mike Flanagan mentioned that Chris was in fact using Storm and Roto during the Team USA Trials. Chris said he was allowed to use them, to fill holes in his arsenal, but as the Global line expands he will use Storm/Roto "less and less." I don't know if all Global staffers will be allowed the same luxury (or vice versa for Storm/Roto staffers) or if this is a special offering to sweeten the deal for Barnes.
Posted by: wronghander

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/08/15 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: SteveH
I don't think it's the case that Storm equipment will be used by 900 Global staffers, Chis Barnes stated "He can't", when asked about it. Voss has been using another ball, does he just dump them? Also, Voss was fairly adamant about what he thinks of the new equipment anyway, would he make a good spokesperson?
I think the bigger question here is who will get the Brunswick equipment business? One rumor was Ebonite, but I think a new suitor would be better for the business.

Voss has been throwing Seismic the last few years in overseas tournaments, not sure if he's still on staff with Global or what the deal is. Global does pour Seismic's balls in the US but it's a different company and it's not PBA registered so he can't use it if he bowls on PBA or PBA50.

Also regarding Brunswick apparently they have a few suitors but it won't be Ebonite from what I've heard. Will be interesting to see who buys it. Not only would they be getting the bowling ball side of the business but also the lane equipment side too, so that might draw some additional interest.
Posted by: Joe Bowler

Re: Global gone from the Tour - 01/10/15 06:56 AM

wronghander, thanks for sharing the interview. Good stuff. My favorite part starts 21:20, where Chris was asked, "How do you put together an arsenal for international competition?"

Paraphrasing his response:
"6 balls is a realistic limit. 2 balls for heavy oil (1 control, 1 angular), 2 for medium oil (1 control, 1 angular), 2 for dry lanes (1 control/spare, 1 angular)."

"I want 6 balls that hook at different distances. Basically, a ball that hooks enough or goes straight enough no matter what I see. The worst feeling ever is to be shut out by a lane man."

Funny, I came to a similar conclusion building my current arsenal for regional PBA competition, but substituting more continuation for more angular. It will be interesting to see which 900 Global balls Chris Barnes chooses to fill those slots.