Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread

Posted by: Richie V.

Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/16/18 01:06 PM

About time to get the new season going. Post about your fall/winter leagues here, including your scores, if you wish.

I should at least be back in my Wednesday league, with my Sunday league depending on my finances. I was close to it last year, so 180 average might be a goal I'm shooting for.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/22/18 10:38 AM

Practiced yesterday. Bowled all Summer on a very easy house shot. So yesterday, met some friends to practice.

The house laid the normal league shot down. My friends were amazed how slick it was. I, on the other hand, found it to my liking. As others slid their reactive balls past the target, I routinely rolled pocket hit after pocket hit with my Hybrid.

I guess the Summer practice I did did work. Release was smooth, no force, ball came off my fingers easily, full extension and great slide, and the ball had a great roll.

That push out to the dry in the right corner paid dividends. My Hybrid ball had 12 boards of movement in the final 15 feet. From the 5 board to the pocket.

My leagues start after Labor day.
Posted by: Mkirchie

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/22/18 01:37 PM

League meeting on Friday, we start the 7th of September. Going to be an interesting year, I hope the state of the league is OK in terms of # of bowlers. Our president and secretary are not returning to bowl and I'm pretty sure a few other bowlers are not coming back from what I have heard. One of my teammates is now the president and the wife of one of my other teammates is now the secretary.

I've been practicing nearly every week. Going to go on Sunday morning with my wife and meet some friends to bowl with them. I'd been bowling solo all summer and trying to not bowl at too fast of a pace. It will be nice to have other people on the lanes with me so I will have to wait, hopefully it eases me back to league pacing.

Posted by: 6_ball_man

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/23/18 08:50 AM

I am joining a 4 person league in my home house, because the singles league I bowl in is moving from my home house back the the amf place it was in when I joined, over a decade ago. I will bowl the singles, but, I already told the secretary I didn't know if it would go beyond this season, because I so despise the way amf treats bowlers that I really get negative even walking into their establishments. I will be joining back up with the senior travel league (if it goes - trouble getting participants). Every other week, some competitive bowlers, but mostly a funsy league anymore.
Posted by: wronghander

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/25/18 05:32 PM

Really looking forward to this season. Doing 3 leagues this year. Reluctantly returning to Sunday night at Blowmor but wanted to bowl with a couple of friends that I've bowled with for the past 5 years or so and this is the only night they can do and the only center within reasonable driving distance for all of us. So just going to treat that one as a fun night out and try to not put any undue pressure on myself.

My other two leagues are good competitive leagues in two other centers. Competitive handicap format on Wednesdays and a scratch league on Thursdays. Both on a little bit more challenging than a THS (7:1 and 9:1 respectively) which I like. Also the lineage is quite good at these centers. $9.50 at one, $11 at the other. Sec/treasurer only taking $.50 per bowler (used to that fee being $1 along with $13.50-$14 lineage). Also the scratch league has a sponsor adding $2,000 to the prize fund.

Not putting any average/honor score goals on myself this season. The goal is to throw the ball consistently well and make the right adjustments. I improved my release over the summer and I'm seeing results in pin carry but the consistency isn't quite there yet so not going to get discouraged if I don't come out of the gate shooting telephone numbers.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/25/18 05:41 PM

Went to practice today. 2 balls and i walked off the lane.

Was told, they don't oil unless there is a league. And, hasn't been a league since thursday. I was also told to adjust with my 25 board hook. I asked why? As I never see this condition anywhere else.

Oh, another new house rule. The Center will open at 4 every day. Even on league nites. That shuts out the seniors who come daily to bowl.

This place sucks more and more. Oh, but the walls got painted. And, by the lane man. All while 3 lanes are down for repair.
Posted by: jsigone

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/27/18 08:04 PM

well I'm back...I got roped into a league again, been a decade since I played. Bought a house in 09 and had to cut some budgets for it. Now I'm back and my balls are 10-12yrs old but not cracked.

5 man team handicap league, most heavy hitters are there and guess most will be 210 and up. Old ave at this house was 204 so should be interesting if I can get back up to speed in a couple of weeks.

My kinetic is pretty shot up and needs to be replaced, the Storm dim is drilled for oil and never saw much use. There still seems to be life left in it til it gets replaced with modern version, it still rolls out strong if I don't over crank on it. Looking at get a new "A" ball, long and strong backend movement if I can do my part, 5" from pap. Storm Intence Fire, BlackWidow black n golds on the short list. Never shot w/ a hybrid before so will be learning curve.

I need to measure my rev rates and speed on the next practice night. Take that bit of info when I order a ball later this week.

practiced 2 game sets between my kids bowling 3/5yo
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/28/18 01:24 AM

WB and good luck.

PS: It's like riding a bike
Posted by: jsigone

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/28/18 02:19 AM

thanks! body mechanics feel almost the same, almost like I never stopped, until I have to throw spare balls. I just have to remember how to read the lanes as they break down and I break down. I don't have the endurance to bowl many sets in one night anymore. This house breaks down faster then others and I'm always chasing the solid 10 pin here. Such is life, maybe a new ball will help.

We have league meeting tomorrow nite for sign up and see how much of a punching bag we'll be. Plan is to throw a couple of sets with team, have the pro shop measure my pap cuz I can't remember it. 5 1/4 over 3/8" or something close to that. League starts day after Labor day. Kinda nervous of how bad I'm going to suck HAHA
Posted by: wronghander

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 08/30/18 11:13 PM

Welcome back to bowling smile

Week 1 in the books for me. Not exactly the start I wanted to get off to in either one. Started out last night being hot and humid both outside and inside the bowling center and just did not have a good look on a shot I've been practicing on all summer. A lot of over/under and ended up shooting 530.

Tonight in the scratch league had an even worse shot. I was a little more prepared and brought a few extra balls for different things I might run into (also hadn't bowled at this particular house all summer so didn't know what to expect really). But I was really was not at all expecting a shot where you couldn't lay it down anywhere outside of the 12 board without it taking off. So had no choice but to move in and my Ridiculous Asym kept me in the pocket most of the night and I actually was on point with my spare shooting. Got out of there with 193, 204, 211 for 608, but bowling anchor that was not good enough. Opponent shot 739 and really the only chance I had to take a point off of him was in the last game. If I had struck in the 9th, 10th, and 11th I would have locked him out but instead ringing 7 in the 9th and 8 pin in the 10th and instead of a possible game in the 240s merely snuck into the two-teens.

Long season ahead, not going to get too discouraged. Last year I definitely peaked early in the season and the whole 2nd half was a huge letdown so the goal this time is to get better as the season progresses.
Posted by: BOSStull

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/01/18 06:23 AM

Our fall league has changed it's format. I was skeptical at first but I think I am going to like it. It's like a normal league but with a side pot. Each bowler pays $14. $5 goes to lineage, $6 to prize fund, and $3 goes the side pot. Each week all teams are bowling against the House team series for the side pot.The teams that beat the house split the pot for that week. First week 4 teams beat the house and $57 was added to their pot earnings that will be distributed at the end of the year. A good start to the year. Our team is 14-0 and beat the house in week 1 and 2.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/01/18 02:25 PM

Interesting concept. But, I haven't heard of $5 lineage in years.
Posted by: BOSStull

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/01/18 03:09 PM

Lineage on other leagues at the center is around $11. This is the only league with a reduced rate that I know of.
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/04/18 06:55 PM

Senior league started today. Lanes were really screwy. Said they oiled last nite, but IDK how much use after oiling. Prob was before a league.

Well, the rest of the house leagues started last week, and the Asst Mgr said ev one complained about the shot. So, the reg Mgr and the laneman and another lane guy form another center were adjusting the oiler and reoiled the first 10 lanes.

Then, there was the weirdest thing I ever saw. The 3 of them were trying out the oil pattern. Hahaha, if they only had someone who knew how to bowl, they could tell.

Watched a dozen balls by the 3 and no one came close to the pocket. Just what did that prove? Was the oil bad, or do they all suck?

Had words with the Reg Mgr. Asked him why he is chasing all leagues out of the center. He asked what I meant. Told him to count heads in league. Mon mens went from 32 teams to 18. Thurs men's went from 22 teams to 10. Saturday leagues left the house. Mixed leagues disbanded. WTH, and he can't see that???

Went from 2 nights of double shift and leagues on all other nights, to only 4 nites with leagues.

And, this was the Brunswick Flagship Center. Only a few miles from the Corporate office. Top 10 grossing Brunswick center in the Country. New lanes, new machines. Where they brought people to visit, and hosted 2-3 PBA tourneys a year. Now, its' virtually not used.

But, the Senior league grew by 4 teams. At the expense of the Ladies league which won't bowl there because they changed the hours on Tues and Thurs to open late. The ladies used to bowl at 9 am, but the center opens at 11.
Posted by: jsigone

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/05/18 01:01 AM

meh type of night, no consistency, felt lost. 189, 246, 171 = 606
Last game left a mess a buckets and splits hitting light, changed balls and played inside and limited the damages of 4 open frames to start the game. Frustrating after rolling a decent game before it.

202 ave for the night. I'll practice again this weekend. Guess not too horrible start after 10yr break
Posted by: Richie V.

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/06/18 02:20 PM

Last night's bowling, frame-by-frame

I want to attribute this to summer rust, but my second game was better because of my spare game, and my double in the third game capitalized on a Brooklyn strike.

Result: 124-171-157=452
Average (3 games): 150
Next week's AVG+1 score: 454

Si was steady, and Steve put together a four-bagger third game to help us. We won't know about points until the first standings update.
Posted by: wronghander

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/07/18 12:37 AM

Last night 206, 210, 181. Really struggled with carry. The good news is my teammates picked me up and we took 22 out of 26.

Tonight got to my scratch league they had trouble with the AC and the approaches were pretty bad. Couldn't really slide at all and I was tentative the first game but did strike out 9th and 10th to salvage a 209. Second game improved to 217, clean game with only single pin leaves.

Third game started stringing them and had a chance to go off the sheet for 259. The anchor on the other team had a chance to go out for 265 which would be good enough for him to take total off of me as well. I got up and struck in the 10th and he left a flat 10. So the opening was there and I buried the 2nd shot. 8 on the last ball was good enough to take it and we won grand total by 3 pins too. Effectively a 5 point ball there and we ended up winning 15-10.

So 683 but really happy with the bounceback after last night and week 1. Made a change to going back to the side of the ball instead of trying to roll from behind it after listening to Mo Pinel's talk today (which Boss posted a link to in the other thread). Carry was much better.
Posted by: jsigone

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/11/18 06:17 PM

love those games where it comes down to the 10th on the last game

good scores!
Posted by: jsigone

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/12/18 04:59 PM

had a rough night, ringing 10pins all night and few splits. 538 last night with high of 190 on last game. Will drop my ave from 202 to 190 for next week.

Good note. I was working allot on working my swing to be more free flowing, before I was bending my elbow allot, cradling it to much and using my arm to get speed/revs. This was also working my lower back. I'm able to swing a hint higher and unwind my release to generate some good revs and be sorta consistent at it.

Since the beginning of time, I always had my right foot half step forward for dot placement, as for me it helped line up my arm swing to aim. not a problem until I start having to play around the 18bd at the arrows, I can't open my hips/shoulder up enough to get the body angle I need to project the ball out playing that deep. Will have to make a practice day this week to work on the foot game.

I had to put in $5 into the team bad bowler's pot. $1 for each sub 200 score and 50cent for each spare missed that isn't a split.
Posted by: Richie V.

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/13/18 02:29 PM

Last night's bowling, frame-by-frame

This was a little better than last week, so baby steps, I guess. The difference was probably one more made spare than last week.

Result: 152-171-146=469
Average (3 games): 153
Next week's AVG+1 score: 465

Si had a 513 night, and we won the second game against a tough opponent; that was the only point for us, however.
Posted by: jsigone

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/14/18 05:19 PM

looks like my pap changed. now it's 5" up 1/2" was 5.25" up 3.8" a decade ago

Got the mapped layout of my old kinetic with the new PAP
60*/3.75"/28* and tons of flare

Based of that my storm dimension lost n inch too so is 3" from pap to pin and would explain why its rolling out so soon and real hard to get length down range.

I'm getting the Hammer Black n Gold drilled
Posted by: Mkirchie

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/15/18 08:39 AM

Two weeks into this season and I have no clue what I will find next week in league. I was practicing over the summer on a morning after a trio league bowled the night before on a fresh shot. The lanes were consistent and really weren't broken down that much. I had also gone one Sunday morning on the fresh right before the season started and they played just a few boards weaker just like I thought they would.

The first week of league, they started on the fresh like I expected, but broke down drastically by the early part of the second game. I ended up switching to the Critical Mass from the Vintage Zone and was able to bowl well enough the third game to shoot a 611 after being under a 600 pace going into the last game. I ended the night playing deeper with the Critical Mass that I had all summer.

At the second night of league last night, I noticed right away from myself and everyone else that they were hooking like the ball hit a brick wall. Any miss slightly to the right or a touch slow was taking a nosedive and a lot of fun splits were left (multiple 3-4 combos from rightys). My first game was marred by two splits, one in the 10th that hurt my start to the night. I decided that resin was too much, so I switched to my Turbo to start the 2nd game. I underestimated how much it would hook and left a split right away with it. I moved in a little after that and found the line. I mostly kept up with transitions as they broke down and got up to a 614 for the night. I ended up playing near 3rd arrow with the Turbo by the end of the night. The last shot of the night I thought I had swung out too much and it roared back high flush.

My big positive is that my only missed spares through 6 games were splits, a 3-6-10, and a 3-6-9-10. The negative is I have no idea what ball to use next week. If the lanes stay the way they were last night, I'm thinking that I'll see a lot of use out of my Turbo. I might take it out first and if I can play a line around or slightly inside 2nd arrow on the fresh, I'm going to assume anything reactive will do the same thing it did last night.


Posted by: wronghander

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/16/18 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: jsigone
love those games where it comes down to the 10th on the last game

good scores!

Thanks, looks like you are making some good progress yourself. The high scores will come.

Unfortunately for me wasn't able to parlay that victory into much. Bowled 2 tournaments last weekend and did decent but missed the cut by 16 pins in one and about 30 in the other. Just couldn't put enough strikes together. Sunday night shot a decent 662 to open that league and then started Wednesday with 220 but went downhill after that and fell shy of 600 with a 594.

Thursday opened with a 226 but really needed to carry a 2nd strike in the 10th to take my point and instead left a ringing 7. The rest of the night really struggled. Three straight splits in the 2nd game and the 3rd wasn't much better (164, 179). Tonight went 194, 232, 214 for a respectable 640. Got a DV8 Alley Cat on the way which will hopefully help with some of the transition and over/under I've been dealing with in all of my leagues.
Posted by: jsigone

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/19/18 01:47 AM

another MEH night, lanes was broken down from the previous league and I think there was 2 times I had oil on the ball cuz I shanked it so far inside I should have been a lefty HAHA

148 with 4 opens eek, 2 were splits, 2 were bad spare pick ups
213 got some love and linked some Xs together
187 struggled with carry front half and picked up some luck on the back end.

There were 4 hammer black n golds on the rack, all playing the almost same lines on the break.

I had a few burn out throw and the ball broke, then flattened out to a zig zage before hitting pocket. I really need to practice my aim and swing better. 548 for the set. Hope I can get better next week. Ave dropped 3 more pins to 187 for next week. we won only 1 game today
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/19/18 10:25 PM

we have been bowling well, but losing. As an example, my H2H opponent, with his 178 average; shot 279-244-232 against me. And, with his cap, there was no way I could win a game.

Our 4th and 5th bowlers both shot over 700, so we did do well, winning 25 of 36 points. Of course, I got skunked.

Our start was 0-3 games, 1-2 games but 3-0 this week.

My start is horrible and can't break 550. I keep telling myself, it's early.
Posted by: Richie V.

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/20/18 04:10 PM

Last night's bowling, frame-by-frame

It took me three weeks, but I put a little something together last night, particularly when I paid more attention to my elbow position in my swing. Spare game might need work, but that could come around.

Result: 152-173-233=558
Average (9 games): 164
Next week's AVG+1 score: 501

Team didn't have a great night, but still took three of four (1st & 3rd games & total).
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/20/18 07:54 PM

Bowling tonite, and I don't think my knee will let me. It's real painful now.

Oh well, I'll try.
Posted by: wronghander

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/21/18 12:10 AM

GL with your knee Dennis, hopefully you were able to bowl.

Last night was a struggle for me although I felt I threw the ball pretty well but went 182, 188, 204. Just didn't have the reaction I needed down the lane. Had a shiny Verdict and a Cash with a little bit of surface on it with a double thumb drilling. Verdict went too long down the lane and the Cash just didn't make the turn at the end. Tried to make adjustments with those balls to try and carry and made things worse before having an OK 3rd game. Despite my struggles I was able to take 3 out of my 4 points and the team actually split 13-13 despite losing total.

Got my Alley Cat today threw it in the scratch league. Lanes were better than last week I think due to the cooler weather we've been having. Didn't play as dry but still enough friction to throw my new ball. Started out with 257 but my opponent (a lefty cranker) shot 266 so I lost my point while our team actually took the other 5. Scores across the house were through the roof and the eliminator cut was 240. Second game had a chance to go off the sheet and shoot 257 again but just didn't quite get out of it cleanly and left a pocket 7-9. Shot 224 which was just enough to stay in the eliminator but my opponent took advantage of that opening and struck out for 227.

3rd game the transition hit my opponent while I only had to make small moves to stay in the pocket. However I was struggling to carry and had to settle for 191 but it was enough to split with my opponent who had a disastrous final game. Team took 14 out of 25.

Next week I'll be bowling in the 3rd position with our adjusted averages now taking effect and the lineup in this league being set by average (lowest to highest). Teammate is averaging 223 so far while I am at 211. Happy to cede it to him for now especially after only taking 5 of 16 points. I will be facing mostly low 200 average bowlers from the 3 spot.
Posted by: 6_ball_man

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/21/18 07:41 AM

Whelp.....the first session was a complete bust for me, as I wanted to throw balls that weren't conducive to the condition...THAT is on me. I missed the next four sessions (across 3 leagues) because I was out of town, but Wednesday night I did reasonable throwing nothing but my polished, urethane, spare ball. 170something, 160something, 230something ~ 565. Picked most of my easies [shrug]. I expect Saturday, at an AMF house, I will actually see some oil and be able to use my brandy new Radical Beyond Ridiculous! Or at least my also new Roto-grip Winner.
Posted by: Mkirchie

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/22/18 08:17 AM

League was interesting last night, but not because of my bowling. The lanes were hooking a lot again this week and my plan to use my Turbo worked out well. 230,225,219 for a 674 and my only opens were two splits. 9 games in and I've not missed a single pin spare.

Our team took 5, but we were bowling against ourselves as the other team only had 1 regular bowler, two subs, and two blinds. Our league has added a legal lineup rule stating at least 2 regular bowlers must be present (subs do not count). This led towards a lot of confusion for the other team, additionally they weren't informed until the 2nd game. Then, the two subs were bowling for the first time this season and there was confusion with them understanding the sanction fee vs. paying league fees. One of them had subbed 5 weeks last season and never paid a sanction fee. Either the regular team member paid the fee for the sub or some stuff really fell through the cracks last season.

On top of that, we lost the 2nd game by missing 50 pins below our average by quite a bit. Right after bowling a 263 with 11 strikes and an open on a split, my anchor scraped the top of his middle finger by the fingernail on his locker quite badly. He struggled the 2nd game with skin patch on the finger, but it was bleeding too much and he had to use a band-aid on it. He tried bowling with only the ring finger and thumb (legal until Aug 1, 2020!), but he couldn't get comfortable. So, the last game he tried bowling with his thumb, pinky, and ring instead and shoots a 244. He wished he had tried that sooner and said he might try it again if he wants to straighten out his shot.

Posted by: Richie V.

Re: Fall/Winter 2018-19 Leagues Thread - 09/24/18 02:32 PM

I think I did mention that I'd be subbing on my Sunday Niters team instead of being a regular bowler, and my first opportunity to sub was last night, for Peter.

[url="http://www.bowlsk.com/games/view-series.html?series=5726499181166592]Last night's bowling, frame-by-frame[/url]

Back-to-back good nights, but a little more consistent last night. My biggest problem seemed to be chopping the 6-10, but I also only missed one single pin (a 10, but I didn't leave it often).

Result: 194-161-199=554
Average (3 games): 184
Next week's AVG+1 score: 556

Composite average (12 games): 169

If our anchor got the second hit in the 10th second game, it would have been all eight, but we had to settle for six.