Hook style really the most effective way to bowl?

Posted by: mrthang

Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/24/16 01:32 AM

Dear folks,

I have an interesting story. Most of you guys from the western countries only know bowling with straight ball or hook ball. But in Asia, especially in my country, Vietnam, there many many bowlers using Spinner style or UFO style bowling like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfuXQsbmlyc

The reason why as I know so far is that because the lane oiling condition and lane maintaining in our country is so bad that bowlers tend to use spinner style to minimize the risk and get high score. Hook bowlers seem to struggle a lot when lane oiling is so poor and especially we don't know what oil pattern we are bowling on in advance.

and in reality, spinner styles can beat hook style though they don't care about the 6 degree fundamental of hook. They just throw and strike. And currently the Champion of QubicaAMF Bowling World Cup 2016 - Men is a Spinner! - http://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622328082

So does it make you think of hook is not an optimal style to bowl? And when the lane is so awful that you can not get 9 with a hook shot, do you think you should switch to straight ball and throw a bullet?

I am eager to know your opinions.

P/S: I am a hook bowler
Posted by: 82Boat69

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/24/16 08:06 AM

When I first started bowling I threw a similar back-up ball off the left corner even though I was right-handed. My ball carried equally well on either side. My hand was never in the position in the video but the ball did spin more than roll. Today, if the shot goes away completely, I have an old Columbia 'Blue Dot' that I fire away with off the right corner. Except for the release, the bowler in the video has classic form.

Send the video to USBC and have them see if E.A.R.L. can duplicate it. Maybe there's a way to shoot sport shots after all.
Posted by: Joe Bowler

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/24/16 10:16 AM

If the UFO spinner style of bowling is unaffected by the oil pattern, that would seem to be an advantage when the oil pattern is difficult. But, what about the other times? In my opinion, once a shot is grooved, the hook style is hard to beat.

For example, if the UFO spinner bowler averaged 220 on the U.S. Open pattern, that would likely do very well. But, what if the pattern was Cheetah, and the scoring pace was 240 instead? The same 220 average for the UFO spinner bowler could not keep up with the pace.
Posted by: 82Boat69

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/24/16 10:27 AM

Since ball surface and lane surface play such an important roll in ball motion, how much ball surface comes in contact with the lane on each revolution seems to be the main factor. A spinner that never rolls will probably suffer on oily lanes but might do best on drier lanes. That assumes some flare occurs.

The ball in the video looked like urethane or hard rubber. Is it even possible to drill a reactive resin ball to stay on it's axis and spin without flaring?
Posted by: W9JAB

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/24/16 10:32 AM

Mr.Thang,
Quote:
western countries only know bowling with straight ball or hook ball


Not true, if fact on this site under,
Beginner Help,
Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style,
you will find 15 pages of discussion on it.

From what I know of Asia lanes, is that they over oil the lanes,
so to overcome the heavy oil, the UFO style emerged.

First light balls, about 10#
plastic, Hi-polished
No core/pancake
stand left of center(20 board)
release = thumb-down, spin ball off thumb, by turning wrist, and waving by to the ball with your fingers.
Aim for head pin.
you get so much spin on the ball it creates a lot of pin action, and messengers.

I have seen studies that show the striking potential, of this from head pin, to left and right 1/2 & 1/3 pocket, with about the same results.

It works, I have done it.

JOE
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/25/16 08:54 AM

hard to see, but, does that kid have a fingertip grip? I wonder why?
Posted by: W9JAB

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/25/16 06:02 PM

Quote:
does that kid have a fingertip grip? I wonder why?

Yep,and the why is, spin.

At the release your thumb is down,pointing at the floor,six o'clock.

With a wide fingertip grip and a lot of wrist you spin the ball off your thumb.(you need a looser thumb hole)

Try it sometime,you will not believe the "mix master" you get, it's not the deck clearing strike your used to, I have even had pins fly back out onto the lanes.

It is very hard on the wrist.

JOE
Posted by: Dennis Michael

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 10/31/16 02:42 PM

Just hard to believe coming out of the ball with fingers on top and thumb below, especially with a finger tip. Gotta be hard on the wrist?

PS: Do I wear my wrist brace upside down?
Posted by: mrthang

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 11/01/16 12:44 AM

That's why they only use 11lbs bowling ball my dear
Posted by: mrthang

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 11/01/16 12:55 AM

logical explanation Joe! I can't agree more. Thanks buddy
Posted by: mrthang

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 11/01/16 01:08 AM

Moreover Have you guys watch the final match of 2016 QubicaAMF Men Final Match? https://www.facebook.com/happybowlersdotcom/videos/1791673371114390/
Posted by: mmalsed

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 11/01/16 11:40 AM

I don't think anyone is saying that the style is invalid (or I would nope not) just as few, if anyone, now say that 2-handed is a "bad" style of play.

I don't see it delivering much power to the pins, though. That guy did put a decent amount of speed on the ball, but not much power to the pins - with that style it looks like it's all about deflection, not power.

That's fine.

I do wonder how well it would translate to other oil patterns.

I prefer to bowl with a more "tweener" style that lets me bowl (sorta decently) on nearly all patterns. But that's preference. smile
Posted by: mrthang

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 11/02/16 12:01 AM

I think all styles have pro and cons. Spinner style player know that they can easily leave 5 pin. So many of them have to push the ball deep and far so that the ball is not deflected to the side.

But on a blinded oil pattern, spinner style has less risk than hook. In the monthly league where I bowl, event holder does not let bowler to practice a few frames before the semi-final or final match. They re-oil the pattern and we have to jump in to compete. You see how risky hook players have to play.

I am hook player and I have to improve my oil recognition system over and over to compete under these format. The faster I recognize the oil the higher the score I have.
Posted by: W9JAB

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 11/02/16 10:29 AM

Quote:
I don't think anyone is saying that the style is invalid (or I would nope not) just as few, if anyone, now say that 2-handed is a "bad" style of play.


You need to remember why these style's started.
Spinner = over oiled lanes.
2-handed = little kid could not hold the ball with one hand.
When it comes to knocking down pins, it's what ever works (within the rules) But what works for one may not work for you.

Quote:
looks like it's all about deflection, not power.


Yep,and when it works it's a "pin blender"

Quote:
You see how risky hook players have to play.


I've herd it said, "straighter is greater"

Quote:
The faster I recognize the oil the higher the score I have.


A game of adjustments

JOE
Posted by: mmalsed

Re: Hook style really the most effective way to bowl? - 11/02/16 11:58 AM

^^ This

I've actually never gone into a situation where I actually knew the oil pattern. Even at Nats, while I "knew" . . . I didn't actually KNOW. LOL