Bad video of Jordan

Posted by: Rocket

Bad video of Jordan - 04/21/11 11:00 PM

For once we were bowling on the same pair at practice and I didn't have my darn camera. I took this with my cell phone its dark and sideways but I think you can tell how far out he was playing his heat on a freshly laid THS. Oh and he beat me this week lol.

Posted by: Time-To-Roll

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/22/11 10:43 AM

Bad video but good bowler.

Jordan seems to be very relaxed, that may be his key to success. Do you and Jordan have the Norm Duke DVD? I have it and feel it is a big help to getting better at this game.
Posted by: AmpleSound

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/22/11 11:59 AM

Just a couple things, in my opinion, that will help him. His push away seems kind of controlled, which could be the culprit in his elbow flaring out during his follow through. Just my two cents.
Posted by: TheDemolitionMan

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/22/11 12:19 PM

I think he'd benefit from a bit more knee bend and also if he bowled with his left hand. That is to say, start his pushaway or swinging-hinge or whatever he uses with his left hand. It should reduce some tension and allow him to bowl a little better and consistent, in my opinion.
Posted by: B-Hammer

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/22/11 01:19 PM

For some reason in my head I pictured him with a Fagan high backswing.

Does he use or has he tried the Mo Pinel shift bowling technique?
Posted by: Rocket

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/22/11 02:16 PM

Thanks all for the comments. Time to roll: No right now no DVD's but he has been reading up on some for now mostly notes from here and his coach.

Ample good eye, His coach is working with him on the push away he says if Jordan can break that habit he should totally be able to free that swing up. Also you may notice he has a tendency to roll his shoulders in like slouching another issue he is ironing out,

Demo, I never noticed the left hand position. he has actually been working on that and normally after dropping the ball he points it down lane until starting the release and that has improved his power and revs as well. Knee bend has been an on going battle a collage coach recently told him that the knee bend was becoming something they felt male bowlers could use less of but his coach wants the knee bend so he is a bit confused on that subject. Also I failed to mention he did not have his Dexters on he took them out to clean them and used a pair of etonics he borrowed from his friend so his slide is messed up to.

B Hammer No Mo pinel we will have to look that up. His coach recently shortened his back swing up he was forcing it higher. If you notice he starts his ball low for now his coach is slowly opening up back up to try to get that freeness.

Thanks again for all the comments
Posted by: TheDemolitionMan

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/22/11 06:54 PM

Rocket, I'd say to go with that slide. Unless this college coach is from one of the big bowling schools, I would say go with the coach who's been teaching him. Also the slide will allow him to do a lot more and save his joints so much. Anytime I hear somebody say they thinking about not having a slide I direct them to Tommy Jones how is a high rev and speed player that has a such a smooth slide and is on balance that it allows him to have a smooth release and get all those revs and speed. As for the shoulders, it's Jordan trying to get his body lower. Easily solved with a getting low with his legs.

Yeah the left arm is the arm that righties are supposed to bowl with according to Norm Duke. It's the O-line of bowling. Makes the right arm look good but bares all the weight of the ball and does all the work in relieving tension in the right arm. After it leaves the ball it should travel to be parallel with his slide leg for about a step, then out in front of him as the slide approaches and then whip it to the side for its finishing position.
Posted by: Rocket

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/22/11 07:22 PM

Sorry Demo I must not have not been clear, when he has his shoes he does slide the pair he borrowed from his friend because his weren't in his locker was giving him fits. Trust me I am a planter and hate it I definitely dont want that for him.

What you are saying about his balance arm is his normal I wish I would have caught on to what he was doing while we were bowling to point it out haven't seen him not point down lane with it for a long time not sure why he was doing it and why I missed it.

As far as the collage coach goes I am not sure what collage he was from he is a friend of Jordans pro I was not there when he was watching him.

Posted by: TheDemolitionMan

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/23/11 01:17 AM

Oh no, I understood what you meant, but you said that the one coach told him not to slide as much is all I meant. It is very hard to slide when you don't have the shoes you're used to. Also, it's tough to train your balance arm to do that motion and create the right angles with your body if you aren't used to it.
Posted by: Rocket

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/23/11 08:28 AM

Lol, Ok now I see the confusion by knee bend I thought you were talking at setup not slide, he used to have a bigger knee bend when he setup.
Posted by: TheDemolitionMan

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/23/11 10:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Rocket
Lol, Ok now I see the confusion by knee bend I thought you were talking at setup not slide, he used to have a bigger knee bend when he setup.


Yeah that's cool. I bend mine a little before I start and then I go from 6ft to about 4ftish and stay there. It feels a little weird at first but it helps with getting low, getting the ball into the lane and accuracy.
Posted by: spr3wr

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/23/11 11:10 AM

I wish I was this good at his age.

1) In his setup move the ball left so the ball is inline with his head and his right foot. Ideally you don't want to see any of the ball from behind during the setup and pushaway.

http://s943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272...ng&newest=1

2)You are leaning forward too early. Wait till the ball is past your right leg ( finish your 2nd step completely ) before you lean forward. Your body angle should be the same here as in your setup.

http://s943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272...ng&newest=1

3)If you fix your balance foot during the release this will help you with your follow through. Your not suppose to lead with your heel during the release you lead with your toes. The yellow line is Jordan's arm.The red line is where you want your arm following thought.

Jordan heel
http://s943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272...ng&newest=1

Doug Kent toe lead
http://s943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272/spr3wr/?action=view&current=kent1.jpg&newest=1
http://s943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272/spr3wr/?action=view&current=kent2.jpg&newest=1

Tommy Jones
http://s943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272/spr3wr/?action=view&current=Head_Ball.jpg&newest=1

Keep up the good work Jordan
Posted by: Rocket

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/23/11 11:15 AM

Wow, thanks Sprw! I am heading out now but will down load those pics when I get back so I can print and show them to his coach as well I appreciate it.
Posted by: spr3wr

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/23/11 11:23 AM

Rocket you lead with your heal also this is something you both can work on.



Posted by: Rocket

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/23/11 06:35 PM

Yeah Lol you could probably spend all day on things I do wrong, my scores and average have improved quite a bit but I describe myself as an accurate hack.

But I am still trying and have fun doing it. I will work on that as I am back to working on balance and posting on the line as we speak I will probably spend all summer just on that.
Posted by: TheDemolitionMan

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/24/11 11:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Rocket
Yeah Lol you could probably spend all day on things I do wrong, my scores and average have improved quite a bit but I describe myself as an accurate hack.


Not necessarily a bad thing. WRW Jr. could be considered the same thing and he near has as many pro tour titles and majors as years he's lived. So once again, may not be a bad thing Rocket. LOL nut
Posted by: Rocket

Re: Bad video of Jordan - 04/25/11 07:48 PM

Demo,I would settle for giving Jordan a run for his money more often! Of course his biggest attribute is spare shooting I swear he could bowl blindfolded and pick up spares if someone told him which pin it was.

Humm, maybe a good practice idea! lol