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Posted by: spectral

new videos - 02/07/10 05:25 PM

Went for practice today.

Went horrible. I can't keep my pace down when approaching on the lane, the last 2 steps are still very short quick steps. I can't seem to keep my wrist cupped or stay behind the ball whatever i seem to try...

Tried to throw a few backup balls, some seemed to roll straight up so i thought i was getting close but judging by the movie i was nowhere to close lol.

did a few no thumb deliveries but i seem to get around the ball way too much even when throwing with no thumb.

Any drills i can do to make things better?



Posted by: cgeorg

Re: new videos - 02/07/10 07:16 PM

You are forcing the snot out of the ball, especially from the top of the backswing. That's why you can't stay behind it on the no thumb, and why you can't stay under it with your standard delivery. Also, if your fit was correct, that 2nd shot on the last video never would have happened. That's a pretty clear indication of squeezing, which is general caused by an incorrect grip. And, in order to fix the grip, you need to eliminate the squeeze - let the ball fly off your hand in the backswing, to prove to yourself that the fit is wrong. Then, work on the fit until you can't get it to fly off your hand.
Posted by: spectral

Re: new videos - 02/08/10 04:35 AM

The ball cannot fly off my hand in the backswing, my thumbhole is really really snug. I know a lot of people say this thinking there thumbhole is snug and it really isn't... but i'm confident mine is. I can let my bal hang on my hand (without cupping it), and waggle it a few times before it gets loose from the thumb. I used to grab my bal all the time so sometimes it's just stronger than myself and i grab the ball by my ankle giving the result you just saw. I only threw the ball that far once in over 50 throws.

I agree that i'm squeezing but it's not because my fit is off, it's just a lack of trust from my side that the ball will hang onto my hand.

I also know i am forcing my ball, i can feel it myself... Problem is i can swing my ball pretty freely when not at the lane but i can't seem to do so when i am at the lane.

i'm getting a thumbhole drilled 1/4 forward next week or so, maybe that will help with the trust (i was using 0 yesterday)
Posted by: CoachJim

Re: new videos - 02/08/10 08:22 AM

Quote:
I agree that i'm squeezing but it's not because my fit is off, it's just a lack of trust from my side that the ball will hang onto my hand.


If the ball fit properly you wouldn't have to squeeze and if you did squeeze the ball it would go through the ceiling.

You are starting the ball off to the right. Try keeping the ball and your head in line with the target.
Posted by: cgeorg

Re: new videos - 02/08/10 10:26 AM

Try a couple of games of 1 step drills to get comfortable letting the ball swing in the context of a bowling alley. Then, 2 step drills. Then, 3 step drills. The key is that you can't be doing your normal approach, or your muscle memory will take over.
Posted by: spectral

Re: new videos - 02/08/10 10:49 AM

ok, i'll try that next time

do most of the people here use forward pitch in their thumbhole?
Posted by: spectral

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 07:52 AM

just for the fun of it i calculated the revs and speed of my no thumb spare ball throw (#1) through bowlspot.com.

i calculated 360RPM's and 14.7MPH. Is that possible?

Does the amount of revs you throw thumbless mean anything to what amount you can reach bowling with thumb? Or is this totally neglectible and can anyone throw super revs thumbless?
Posted by: Lefty

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 08:30 AM

Anyone can put a ton on the ball thumbless, but that doesn't mean you can't get to 340RPM's with your thumb in the ball. There are pro's that get over 500RPM's with their thumb in the ball.

What's standing between you and that is lessons, practice and time.
Posted by: spectral

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 08:54 AM

lessons, practice, time, ... agreed BUT

i'm sure some of it is just natural talent. I'm sure there are a lot of people that take bowling very serious that just cannot get up to that highest level just because the lack of talent for it.

i can get over 500RPM's as well without the thumb, i was just trying to let the ball fall off my hand in the movie while staying behind it. Which miserably failed anyway. I know there are moment when i can keep my hand more behind the ball thumbless and at those times i can almost double the revs on it.

I was just wondering if this meant anything at allin relation to how much revs you can generate with the thumb in.

Because i throw thumbless with 1 hand, i don't use the other hand for balance or support, so all of the weight is on 1 wrist. I know a lot of people that do not have the wrist strength to do that so i thought being able to do this kind of release might tell something about the potential release you could have.

if that makes any sense at all
Posted by: Lefty

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 09:00 AM

No, it has no relation. If you expect to get there today, tomorrow or by the end of the year, you're going to be disappointed. My advice to you is to stop worrying about how many revs you have and start focusing on getting your ball to fit properly and working on the fundamentals. Revs are a byproduct of doing lots of other things right. Work on that and the revs will come. Keep focusing on the revs and you're going to be disappointed.
Posted by: Mkirchie

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 09:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Lefty
Keep focusing on the revs and you're going to be disappointed.


I agree with this comment 100%. In college, I watched a good bowler with decent but not excellent fundamentals decide that he was going to focus on revs and become a cranker instead of improving his physical game. It did not help him one bit, in fact, it ended up hurting what he already had established.

Mark
Posted by: spectral

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 09:17 AM

i'm not focussing on revs alone. I'm focusing on a clean release in general. The time i miiss my target are the times where my release is not clean (or should i say even less clean then most of the time) meaning grabbing and/or muscling.

i'm bowling on lanes as dry as most of you have never played on and i can't get my ball to hook, it would be nice to have a clean release and actually see it move to the pocket
Posted by: mikhial66

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: spectral
lessons, practice, time, ... agreed BUT

i'm sure some of it is just natural talent. I'm sure there are a lot of people that take bowling very serious that just cannot get up to that highest level just because the lack of talent for it.


I don't agree with this. While there are certain aspects of the game that come easier to some people, I don't think that there is a glass ceiling for certain people. The reason people plateau is either lack of resources, knowledge, or time. I would not put talent as one of those.
Posted by: spectral

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 09:32 AM

so basically it would be best for me to just take a year off of league bowling and practice by myself.

I can't be trying things (which most likely won't work anyway due to the added pressure) and bowl much lower games then i could be bowling... I don't care about my scores much myself but my team mates would.

I'm not one to pick up something new by practicing it once a week. If i implement that into my next league match i will bowl a lot lower then i normally would and if i play the league match the way i normally do my practice session goes to waste as well.
Posted by: sk8shorty01

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 09:37 AM

spectral, if you bowl league once a week then you have an entire week to implement something into your game. Sure, you might not be great at it but you shouldn't be terrible at it either.

How often would you be able to practice throughout a given week? Are you able to go for an hour every day or other day?
Posted by: Lefty

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 10:00 AM

Originally Posted By: spectral
so basically it would be best for me to just take a year off of league bowling and practice by myself.

I can't be trying things (which most likely won't work anyway due to the added pressure) and bowl much lower games then i could be bowling... I don't care about my scores much myself but my team mates would.

I'm not one to pick up something new by practicing it once a week. If i implement that into my next league match i will bowl a lot lower then i normally would and if i play the league match the way i normally do my practice session goes to waste as well.


When I was younger, I was bowling 20+ games a week outside of youth league, youth travel and YBT (Youth Bowlers Tour. It's not an either or proposition.
Posted by: spectral

Re: new videos - 02/12/10 10:29 AM

Originally Posted By: sk8shorty01
spectral, if you bowl league once a week then you have an entire week to implement something into your game. Sure, you might not be great at it but you shouldn't be terrible at it either.

How often would you be able to practice throughout a given week? Are you able to go for an hour every day or other day?


actually i bowl in 3 different leagues a week, so i have time to practice once a week smile