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#97708 - 07/11/09 08:51 AM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: J_w73]
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Bill Taylor's book "Target Lines" : http://www.[Banned-SpamURL].com/products/49

explains how to line up to play any angle on the lane. It was written before plastic balls were invented, so there are some updates needed especially what to do when encountering the ball return, but playing all of the basic angles to the pocket are covered in this book.

If I was playing a break point of 10 and wanting to cross the arrows at 15, I would need to lay the ball down around 18 which means that since I slide 5 boards left of where I lay the ball down I would need to slide around 23 in order to lay the ball down on 18 and cross 15 to hit 10 at the break point.

The break point is at approx 45ft on the 10 board the arrows are approx 15ft from the foul line, so I am looking to cross 15 which is 5 boards difference in 30 ft. My lay down point is 15 ft(approx)from the arrows which is 1/2 of 30 so I divide the number of boards crossed (5) by 2 to get 2.5 boards my ball will need to cross between the lay down point and the arrows to hit the break point on 10.

Taking the 5 board difference into account my slide should be around 23 to lay down on 18 so I need to maintain that angle at the start of my approach which is 12 to 15ft back from the foul line. To maintain this angle and walk straight to my target line I will need to line up so my slide foot is on the 26 board at the back of the approach and slide my feet toward my target line until I get to the spot where I start my approach. I find this gives me a sense of awareness to the angle I want to go in. So my feet should walk in a line from the 26 board at the back of the approach to the 23 board at the foul line, most starting positions are somewhere in between.

Modern bowling sometimes uses cross over steps if you are one of these types, you are not wrong for doing this, you just need to learn to feel your target line and make sure you are sliding square to it.

Cross over steps happen at the beginning where the right foot (right handed) crosses in front of the left foot to allow room for the ball to pass, the left foot walks to the left to get out of the way of the right foot, the next right foot/power step also crosses over in front of the left foot, the left foot then slides back around the right foot toward the target line. The power step crossing over in front of the left foot allows the hips to clear out of the way of the ball better. Many of the top pro bowlers use this type of foot work. Some still slide on the same board they start on, others drift 5 boards left, but they do the same every time.

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#97716 - 07/11/09 10:29 AM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: CoachJim]
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Wow. I'll follow these tips and see how it goes.
BTW Amazon.com says the book is out of print., limited availability.
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#97720 - 07/11/09 11:01 AM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: SpareMe]
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Other sites have it. Just google it.

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#97722 - 07/11/09 11:26 AM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: Lefty]
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Try this article from Slowinski. http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php?o...6&Itemid=46

Coach, Bill Taylor's book was published in 1982, and is currently out of print.
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#97738 - 07/11/09 05:11 PM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: Dennis Michael]
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www. bowlings book store . com/products/49

and has been in print since the 1950s, he may have updated it in the early 80s, but I have my old copy from 1979 when I first started.

Either way it is still available from the site I listed, just take out the spaces


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#97753 - 07/11/09 08:53 PM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: Dennis Michael]
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OK, please help me understand why the Target Lines move in when the heads dry .
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#97789 - 07/12/09 08:09 AM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: Adam_T]
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OK, please help me understand why the target lines move in when the heads dry .


That is where the oil usually is especially on a house pattern. So you move in to get more oil under the ball to delay the reaction until it gets to the dry.

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#97795 - 07/12/09 08:52 AM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: CoachJim]
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It's also not just the heads. In fact the heads usually hold up better than points further down the lane because they have more oil to start. If the ball hooks 5 feet sooner, you need to move in with your line, trying to keep the same breakpoint.

Look the graphs in this PDF http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_oct_for_slowinski.pdf

You want to swing the ball out to where the hole in the pattern was cut and then have it hook back.

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#97817 - 07/12/09 12:55 PM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: Lefty]
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Lefty,
When I aim at my Target Lines, at what spped do I need to be at. What I mean is I have seen what throwing a ball faster does-- it eliminates my hook. When I slow down I get more of the hook. Is it better to go slower with the hook or bowl straight. This is something that is in my head when I'm up there. I know its what works best, but just want to know which is the most preffered method and why.
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#97826 - 07/12/09 02:45 PM Re: Need help understanding aim points and angles [Re: Lefty]
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I guess I need to get a league to find a correct oil set up. Went to lanes today where GM said lanes where oiled at 3am so we had a virgin lane but got very little hook as appeared they had not cleaned past the 40 foot as there was very little break point and very little oil showing on balls so maybe someone lied ? I dunno.

But I got the Pro Shop to watch as I tried to shoot across the 3rd arrow but got no break so at his suggestion I bought a Storm hyroad
for the dryness and it had much better backend than my momentum swing which seemed to just burn up it's energy too soon. Oh so much to learn.


Edited by Adam_T (07/12/09 03:06 PM)
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