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#94646 - 06/09/09 03:48 PM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: Atochabsh]
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Matty, I'm sorry you are disappointed in the conditions you will be on for this league. But its a c rap shoot no matter what league you bowl in. You picked a non sanctioned 9 pin no tap summer league. If any league under the sun or moon were to have poor lane conditions it would be this one.

My suggestion would be to quit now and get into a regular sanctioned summer league. Make sure you read the league rules on quitting. you might be liable for two weeks paid and a written notice. Ask first if there will be fresh oil for that league.

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#94647 - 06/09/09 03:50 PM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: mattyg3535]
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Just called another Center to ask about leagues and lane conditions. Here is the answer that I got and that I wanted. "oil costs pennies. We oil everyday at 3pm for practice and again at 6 before the leagues." To save pennies you are willing to lose hundreds of dollars a month? I am going to finish my summer leagues out with the exception of the NoTap. I will be quitting that league after next week. I have a team that I made a commitment to and I will let them know my intentions and give them time to find a replacement. It is the right thing to do. There is no way I can prove what volume they put out so there is no reason I should get into a fight I cannot win. Thanks for the advice!

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#94649 - 06/09/09 03:59 PM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: Atochabsh]
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Originally Posted By: Atochabsh
And now I'm sure that when you plan a tournament you try to get the first squad. Most higher average bowlers do so because they learned exactly what you learned at that ABT tournament.

Early in my tournament bowling experience I too got a rude awakening. I was on the first squad, someone had already taught me that little tid bit. But the oiling machine broke. They used the old bug sprayer technique of oiling the lanes, and didn't really know how to do that well either. Since we own an old oiling machine and it was in storage, we got it out for them for the second day of the tournament. But the bug sprayer condition was BRUTAL.

Erin


I prefer bowling the 2nd squad, but arriving early enough to watch at least 1 game from the early squad. This not only helps with lining up, but gives you an idea of the scoring pace, and determining whether to use a conservative or aggressive approach. Also, when the lanes are flooded, it helps to have a squad bowl first to break down the lanes a bit.

Does this approach work? Not to brag, but before the ABT folded in the Washington, DC area, I bowled in several events in 2008, won 5 titles, had 7 second place finishes, earned over $8,000 for the year, and earned the title WDC Bowler of the Year. With some of the conditions they put down, I would have been happy for the BUG SPRAYER.

League conditions are another thing, and I believe you have every right to expect a reasonable, playable condition, i.e., adequate oil. Dropping out of the league is the best way to express your dissatisfaction, and if enough people do the same, the bowling center should get the message.
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#94651 - 06/09/09 04:19 PM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: Joe Bowler]
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You are right on! Not worth getting worked up over a NoTap league. Just a let down when in the fall they had a great condition and even the first week they teased us with it. Will be giving my money to the other center, that's all. This forum is the best. You guys, and girls, understand.

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#95527 - 06/16/09 08:53 PM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: mattyg3535]
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If it's a no tap ,non sanctioned league, all I would want is a consistent shot. Whether it was scorched or flooded, that is the least they could do. I wouldn't expect perfect house shot for that kind of league. If you wanted a certain shot, get in a PBAX league, so the shot is guaranteed.
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#95582 - 06/17/09 08:21 AM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: ]
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Not to make any enemies here because I really like this site, but alot of the post here are driving me nuts. All the posts here about only wanting a perfect house pattern that is exactly the same week to week are people I hate listening to. All they care about is high scores and not improving their game. I love when I show up and the lanes are fried, this allows me to work on throwing a straigher ball. Or when the machine breaks down and puts 40ft of heavy sauce, I have to work on playing more down the middle. It may just be your perspective. One person gets mad becuase he won't bowl a 200 every game, I get excited becuase I get to work on a part of my game that I don't normally get to work on. Remember, versatility will make you a better bowler.
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#95585 - 06/17/09 08:34 AM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: Handful]
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Handful, you actually have two points.

First, you are right that a bowler has to learn how to play what the lanes give you. That does make you more accomplished and versatile.

Second, when you are paying the league lane fees, you expect the lanes to be properly maintained, and oiled. That's what you are paying for. One league, a Sport league, actually has oiling requirements weekly. And, we should expect the House to stand up to their side of the deal and really put one down. The other being a House league, it is hit or miss weekly.
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#95587 - 06/17/09 08:43 AM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael

Second, when you are paying the league lane fees, you expect the lanes to be properly maintained, and oiled. That's what you are paying for. One league, a Sport league, actually has oiling requirements weekly. And, we should expect the House to stand up to their side of the deal and really put one down. The other being a House league, it is hit or miss weekly.


I do see your point. I think the last PBAx league I had, we actually had to pay more just because the league had to submit sample tapes of the oiled lanes to prove they were oiled correctly. I would suggest to all that at the first meeting for a league, the issue of lane oiling should be addressed and put in writing so the center and league bowlers know what is expected. But I could see the center expecting a higher lane fee for this.
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#95590 - 06/17/09 09:10 AM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: Handful]
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Actually, the expected oil pattern is specified in our contract with the House. Most bowlers know what to expect, and when it isn't there, they have a right to complain.
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#95735 - 06/18/09 04:03 PM Re: Burnt out lanes(not dry) should you complain? [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I like to practice on varied shots, it is good, it is enjoyable, but when you hit league, you expect the same conditions (whether good or bad) on a weekly basis. You aren't paying the house to have a mechanic around when they need to fix a machine or pin, you are paying for the lanes too. I do like testing my ability, but I want some idea of where to play to be predetermined in my head and just have to make minor adjustments, not having to make giant moves based on if the house felt like oiling. My house is very good with my league. They oil right before league, no one bowls on the lanes after they are dressed, it is nice.
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