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#93535 - 05/31/09 05:13 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: okorimbo]
CoachJim Offline
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All I know is I can't lift my arm over my head without pain from the stop dropping your shoulder mentality of the ritger trained coach I had when I was younger. This is after a year and a half rest.

I did say it is fine to work on your release only from the one knee position, just don't take a full swing, or go ahead and see for yourself.

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#93569 - 06/01/09 12:27 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: ]
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Not sure where I fit into this discussion; it just so happens that I have long thighs and short arms so I could have a normal swing from my knees. However, Ron did say to be in the finished position and set the ball on the deck so I get to know were that is. I am looking at my hand now and doing it much better. I am not hanging on to the ball & the drill is getting easier for me. I will post another Video to show improvement. Ron also said that it is good to be able to do 4 & 5 step approaches. I will post my 4 step approach also. It feels pretty good but I still over throw the ball.

~ John

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#93812 - 06/02/09 07:34 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: ijohn83]
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Here is the "scoot" drill & the "Release" drill. I would like feed back on the good, bad & ugly. I do this at home about 50 rolls a day, along with two full games at the bowling lanes. I think my wrist is getting the idea somewhat.



~John

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#93837 - 06/02/09 10:34 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: ]
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I think the underhand spiral teaches an early turn. It's a great drill to get a beginner to feel of the ball coming off the hand correctly (thumb then fingers), but I don't think I've ever seen an underhand spiral thrown the same way a proper bowling release looks, with the hand staying inside the football until it gets next to body. In fact, I think a proper bowling release would result in a very wobbly football throw. Whereas a bowling ball thrown with the proper underhand spiral release would track between the finger holes, and over the thumb. If you could somehow position the football in your hand so that the end pointed to where your PAP would be, then you could actually get a "proper" release that would spiral.
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#93874 - 06/03/09 06:38 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: ijohn83]
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John, your hand is on the side of the ball early in quite a few of those, keep your hand in position, take your time and don't be in such a hurry. If you don't do the drill the same every time you will not get the feel you are looking for.

Edit: What you are supposed to get from the underhand spiral football drill is the rolling of the wrist aspect, not necessarilly the spiral, or direction of the ball aspect, just the motion of the wrist through letting the football go. To transfer it to bowling you would probably want to have the football side ways laces first instead of the point of the ball toward the receiver, but that is awkward, so just envision throwing a football laces first at the break point when letting the bowling ball go.


Edited by CoachJim (06/03/09 06:44 AM)

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#93883 - 06/03/09 07:59 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: CoachJim]
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Thanks. Still practicing.

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#93884 - 06/03/09 08:00 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: CoachJim]
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John, I have to give you a lot of credit for the effort you are putting in. And, it's certainly good to see that you get support at home, too.


Edited by Dennis Michael (06/03/09 08:16 AM)
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#93890 - 06/03/09 08:32 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Getting the whole family in on it, I like it. Much cheaper than a lane with a ball return. Or is it? Dennis, I think your kid has cost more than a lane in the basement would have.
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#93892 - 06/03/09 08:35 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: cgeorg]
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Rather keep that private.
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#93893 - 06/03/09 08:48 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Now if I could only get the wife to cook.

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