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#93168 - 05/27/09 08:37 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: MJA]
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John,
One quick note, on the two handed release your other hand comes off the ball way to early. Watch Belmonte or Palermaa, the opposite hand should drop off the ball at the same point that the thumb would clear during a normal release. That is, the hand should be on the ball through the entire backswing, and also through the down swing until at the ankle, or just after.
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#93170 - 05/27/09 08:59 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Forcing yourself to keep the 2nd hand on the ball longer would also help teach you to get your shoulders open in the approach.
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#93172 - 05/27/09 09:36 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: cgeorg]
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Today is a non-bowling day says the wife.
Tomorrow, when I practice, I will keep the 2nd hand on the ball longer & try it with the thumb in the ball - hopefully. I will get some Video of some of the other drills also.

Head case & hard case; All have a great day,

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#93182 - 05/27/09 10:26 AM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: ijohn83]
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I don't think it's any surprise to us here that your issue is that you control your arm swing. I don't think I've ever seen someone mention that you have a weak wrist. You're trying to hook the ball, and you are clinging to controlling your arm swing and release. It seems as though you have a fear of being uncomfortable in your delivery.

Let me say this... to get from where you are now to where you don't control your swing and turn it early, you will have to be uncomfortable with your release. You WILL feel out of control. You can't ease into it. At some point you have to decide to just let go and trust that the world isn't going to come to an end if you stop controlling and helping the ball.

Will you make some horrific shots? Maybe. But you have to start there and you have to let your arm swing in a way that is completely foreign to how you do it now. That means letting it swing and not trying to throw the ball at all

How do you do this? Let the ball swing and DON'T try to throw the ball. You shouldn't care if it hits the pocket, goes in the gutter or jumps over to the next lane. Get to the point where you can just let your arm swing and have the ball come off with no additional muscle use and then you can build up from there.

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#93192 - 05/27/09 12:13 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: Lefty]
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I agree with what Lefty said, that is what Ron is trying to get you to do when he has you go to the foul line and start the approach back in the settee area.

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#93368 - 05/28/09 05:53 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: CoachJim]
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Practice (05-28-09). I am still a head case with letting the thumb drop out and not turning my wrist. My camera battery died when I was putting today&#8217;s drills on the computer. These are the only shots I've looked at - very bad if you ask me. When I get home to my charger I'll add anything of interest. Otherwise I'll pick it up the next day of practice.



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#93369 - 05/28/09 06:09 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: ijohn83]
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John, I detect a distinct lack of lowering your body and following through your swing.

Even on a 1-step drill, you should come as close to your final stance as possible.
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#93370 - 05/28/09 06:17 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: Dennis Michael]
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That isn't even the one step drill, but I agree he isn't lowering the body. If this is the drill I think it is, you are suppose to set up in your final position, ball next to the slide ankle and just let the ball swing back and forth a little, not a whole swing. It's more to get one to get used the feeling of a particular hand position. It doesn't matter what the ball does on the lane nor the follow through since it should only be a short swing both ways, probably around a foot or so behind and in front of the ankle.

Then in the one step drill it should be a full swing, lowering of the hips and release like a full approach, just minus the first three or for steps.
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#93372 - 05/28/09 06:50 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: Calvin Pistorio]
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You’re both right. I think I was self-conscious of being a dweeb with all the people around me.
I am supposed to set the ball down on the deck, and then put the hand in the ball and then just lift the shoulder a little, and then just a little swing.

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#93374 - 05/28/09 07:21 PM Re: Ron Clifton's clinic Santa Clarita [Re: ijohn83]
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Originally Posted By: ijohn83
I think I was self-conscious of being a dweeb with all the people around me.


Try to shake this type of thoughts off. Don't worry about what others around you think if the center is crowded and work on what you need to. Just try to be courteous and not hold up people to either side of you though.
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