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#90599 - 05/04/09 11:43 PM horrible video
IanTyler Offline
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i so wanted to have a good throw to show but i guess a bad one is even better so i can learn from that. i havent figured out how to just post it on here but heres the web site



any suggestions
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#90604 - 05/05/09 12:06 AM Re: horrible video [Re: IanTyler]
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You tube is fine.

Everything seems so rushed. Without any cadence.

But for the good stuff...... you walk straight not much drifting that I could see. You have a sense of balance at the release. This is a huge advantage that most bowlers struggle with for a very long while.

I think your starting location is too far left.

Your arm swing is very muscled. There is muscle and control in virtually the whole way through the swing. How to free up a swing? Big question.

You need to swing the ball from your shoulder not from your hand. So just stand in one place and swing the ball. Can you feel how the ball is the bottom of the folcrum and it swings from the shoulder? The arm is just there to connect the ball to the shoulder, it doesn't do anyting else.

I use this visual a lot. Its a desk toy called Newton's Cradle. Notice how the balls swing from the top of the cradle and they swing freely with almost no effort at all. That's how your swing should feel.



Erin

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#90606 - 05/05/09 12:15 AM Re: horrible video [Re: Atochabsh]
IanTyler Offline
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Erin,

Ill check that site out. i know i muscle the ball alot ive been working on slowing my ball speed down and getting more of a free swing. bowling with out a thumb makes it hard but i couldnt bowl a 77 with a thumb so im learning. i took everyones advise and got me a coach. first lesson weds. im sure he will have alot to say lol!!! ive seen other post about leaning over to much, do i have this problem??
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#90608 - 05/05/09 12:36 AM Re: horrible video [Re: IanTyler]
untutored Offline
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As a thumbless bowler myself...

It looks to me like you're turning your wrist too early, and I don't like your timing either. The general impression you give is that you're not in control of the ball at the relase, which is something a lot of newer thumbless bowlers have to deal with.

If you're going to stick with a thumbless release, the first thing you need to do is slow down your armswing, to relax it as much as possible. Then, you'll need to change your release for less wrist turn, and you'll probably have to build strength.

My guess is, your coach will start you with the thumb and work from there. smile


I agree with Erin--I'm surprised at your balance.
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#90613 - 05/05/09 12:50 AM Re: horrible video [Re: untutored]
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ng with out a thumb makes it hard but i couldnt bowl a 77 with a thumb so im learning.


Learn to use your thumb.

Keep in mind that there are NO thumbless bowlers on tour. There is only one pro bowler ever in the history of the PBA that has even had a touch of fame using a no thumb. The odds of gaining any high skill level with no thumb is very slight. It can happen. But the odds are against you. And you won't be doing it in 10-15 years, your body will not be able to hold out for enjoying this sport long term. So since you are just starting, its not to far to go back and learn to use your thumb.

Erin

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#90615 - 05/05/09 12:58 AM Re: horrible video [Re: Atochabsh]
IanTyler Offline
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lol that is the same example my coach told me today when i called him to set up a time. he says he does coach 2 finger bowlers but he would really like to give me lessons with my thumb i said no problem maybe it will give me the consistincy i need but i have my doubts
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#90618 - 05/05/09 01:08 AM Re: horrible video [Re: Atochabsh]
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Originally Posted By: Atochabsh
Keep in mind that there are NO thumbless bowlers on tour. There is only one pro bowler ever in the history of the PBA that has even had a touch of fame using a no thumb.

You're forgetting Jim Godman. wink



Ian, your coach sounds like he will take your money if you're stubborn, but if you want to benefit from his expertise, you'll need to start from scratch with the thumb.
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#90620 - 05/05/09 01:16 AM Re: horrible video [Re: IanTyler]
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yep, there's a reason for that.

In order to get the most out of coaching you need to be open minded.

We have nearly 10000 bowlers in our association. One of our top bowlers is a no thumber but he's an anomoly. He's accurate and has a fairly free swing due to being tall and lanky, which helps natually to develop a freer swing. He averages over 230. A few years ago, he was #11 in all events at the USBC Open tournament. He's very very good. But he is THE ONLY no thumber that has had any sucess that I've seen. He's young too like you. And is constantly plagued by injuries because he's been bowling since he was in juniors. He's only 27 and plagued by injuries. His life in bowling career is starting to wan due to injuries at 27. Unless he starts using his thumb, which he does for all his spares.

Erin

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#90621 - 05/05/09 01:17 AM Re: horrible video [Re: Atochabsh]
Atochabsh Offline
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Quote:
You're forgetting Jim Godman.


who?

Could find very little about him. But there was a bit on bowl.com. No mention that he was a no thumber. ??


Edited by Atochabsh (05/05/09 01:20 AM)

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#90624 - 05/05/09 01:59 AM Re: horrible video [Re: Atochabsh]
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SI article mentioning Jim Godman

His style looked a bit like Bob Learn Jr, but he started with the ball right in the center of his body. According to John Jowdy, he had arms like a blacksmith's.

Anyway, Godman wound up in the HOF, but he had health problems and died young. frown


Edited by untutored (05/05/09 02:00 AM)
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