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#81485 - 02/24/09 01:59 PM wrong pattern put down?
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So this is my first PBAX league and it has seemed every pattern we get so far seems to play much differently then what I read about. Then this past week we were told it was the scorpion pattern, but this was a very short pattern and the outside was very dry (what I would have expected from the cheetah). I ended up playing the gutter and did awesome. Could the center be telling us the wrong pattern on purpose? Has this happened to anyone else?
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#81487 - 02/24/09 02:06 PM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: Handful]
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Walter Ray plays the gutter on the scorpion and out-averages every other player on tour.

There are a whole host of factors that go into how a pattern plays - lane surface, how many times the lane has been stripped/had the new pattern put down since the house pattern was on it, the machine's ability to lay down the pattern, etc. If you throw a ball down the middle of the lane and it hooks at 35 feet, I'd be suspect. But being able to play the gutter on longer shots is not out of the picture, especially if the pattern hasn't been tweaked for the surface, and laid down several times.
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#81491 - 02/24/09 02:10 PM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: Handful]
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When I was in my PBAX league last summer. The shots never seemed to be the way that I had read about them either. And I'm sure other on here will say that they had a similar thing happen to them. What I didn't take into account was that my style of play wasn't suited for the ways I was reading about how to play the lanes.

That aside, it could've been a faulty oiling machine, or a miscommunication between the staff at the house and they got their wires crossed. I'd doubt that they would do it purposefully, after all, people at the bowling centers want to keep the alleys open and the cash flowin'. Additionally, there could've been a junior league or someone else on the lanes before you got there. That's what happened to me. I never really got a good look at the fresh Scorpion or any of the others because there was a doubles junior PBAX league before us. So for a while I, was playing the lanes like they were fresh but that wasn't the case and my scores suffered.
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#81519 - 02/24/09 04:58 PM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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My question is, is the PBX league sanctioned? If so, the house has to provide tapes of the oil laid down to USBC. That proves their attempt to lay the specific pattern down. If it is not sanctioned, and a lot of PBX leagues are not, you don't know what they are laying down on the lanes.

There is a lot of tweeking to the machines to comply with the PBX requirements, I've been led to believe, and many houses don't get it right. Especially, the ones with older machines. So, a scorpion to one house, may play entirely different than in another house.
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#81602 - 02/25/09 07:22 AM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: Dennis Michael]
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First of all thanks for the posts guys. Really helps me out. But to answer some questions We were told the league is Sanctioned (not PBAX sanctioned, just regular sanctioned) I have not seen them do any tape samples of the lane. I know the pattern is fresh because we have to wait for the oil tech to finish putting the pattern down right before we start. And My first shot is always down the middle with med speed to see the length of the pattern and my breakpoint was clearly before th 40 ft off colored board on the brunswick synthetic lanes. I will try to rely less on the usbc tips for playing the lanes and just go with my gut. Thanks again.
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#81627 - 02/25/09 10:14 AM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: Handful]
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If they are putting down sport patterns for a standard sanctioned league, that's basically sandbagging - if it's the only league you bowl. Though I must say, it's better than most types I've heard of.
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#81658 - 02/25/09 01:55 PM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: cgeorg]
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I am in other sanctioned leagues as are all the other bowlers so as for sandbagging averages for tournaments, that shouldn't be a problem. the reason we didn't do the PBAX sancion is because the secretary of the league couldn't figure out what the advantage was for paying the extra due's for PBAX vs. regular sanctioning.
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#81662 - 02/25/09 02:33 PM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: Handful]
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You'd get the PBA patterns + extra handouts from USBC, and your honor score awards would be sport-specific.
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#81676 - 02/25/09 05:31 PM Re: wrong pattern put down? [Re: cgeorg]
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Handful, it really isn't worth the extra bucks. Your honor score is in blue instead of red in our Association. If you can get the experience without paying extra, it is worth it.

I didn't join the league last year because of the extra sanction fees and the premium the house charged to bowl. However, the house laid down the PBX pattern on Monday night for practice at a price of $1 per game. Much better.
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