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#78663 - 02/05/09 08:55 AM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: CoachJim]
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Erin,
I actually move 5 1/2 as well, I figured 5 would be an easier adjustment early on haha. See I am in the same company with you, sad I know that as well haha.


John,
Remember that the 5 board adjustment will get you close, real close, but it might not be exact depending on your roll and area of the lanes you are playing. Just make sure you release the ball the same as your strike ball, don't try to throw it harder because its a split and you will get an honest evaluation of what you need to do next. If the 5 pin goes behind the 7, go with 5 1/2, if it goes in front try 4 1/2 or 4 3/4. Good luck out there!
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#78667 - 02/05/09 09:10 AM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Thanks for the tip on the 5 - 7. I'll try your move in the next month or so if I get a chance. :-) The split I throw the most is the 4 - 6

Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
(but don't go into the lazy wrist mode)

Have a great day all,

~ John

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#78669 - 02/05/09 09:33 AM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: ijohn83]
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instead of saying drop the ball, "place" the ball might be a better term. You are wanting to place the ball into its swing, and let it fall into line and free swing. I think drop implies a sudden change in direction, where in all reality you want the ball to slowly transition from moving forward to moving down. Its almost like the ball is at the top of a feris wheel, thats about the motion you want.
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#78671 - 02/05/09 09:52 AM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: ijohn83]
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Originally Posted By: ijohn83
Thanks for the tip on the 5 - 7. I'll try your move in the next month or so if I get a chance. :-) The split I throw the most is the 4 - 6

Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
Elbow in & DROP the ball!
(but don't go into the lazy wrist mode)

Have a great day all,

~ John


Try to take all your arm muscles out of the equation. Set up and put the total weight of the ball in your left hand and COMPLETELY relax your right shoulder, arm and hand. Push the ball out and let it drop all on it's own. Do NOT engage your arm muscles at all. Let the ball swing back and forth without any intervention from your arm muscles.

If you don't engage your arm muscles, you can't turn the ball early. If you don't turn the ball early, your elbow doesn't fly out.

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#78721 - 02/05/09 02:59 PM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: Lefty]
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One of the problems I have is that I run out of real estate under the ball on set up and it doesn't feel right to have my hands over lapping.

I will work on "placing" the ball into the swing with my off hand.

Does a strong forearm assist a lazy wrist?

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#78724 - 02/05/09 03:08 PM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: ijohn83]
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Use Ron's method here, or put your hand more on the side of the ball in the stance.

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip7.htm
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#78738 - 02/05/09 05:42 PM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: cgeorg]
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You can also put your left hand in front of your right hand.

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#78740 - 02/05/09 05:48 PM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: cgeorg]
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I had him put more weight of the ball on that pad under his index finger because with his hand on the side of the ball at stance, the elbow flew out even more.

Anyway, every bowler seems to have their battle with the flying elbow. Find a way or key on keeping it tucked that works for you.

Erin

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#79378 - 02/10/09 05:17 PM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: Atochabsh]
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I am still holding the down swing back & accelerating the forward swing causing my early turning. I wouldn't have even posted this only game I Video if I hadn&#8217;t made such a nice 8 - 9 pick-up in the ninth frame.



I couple of side bar questions I have as I continue to work on an un-muscled swing:

1) Reaching down (dragging knuckles) on my release has seemed to natural put my balance arm into play without even trying. Is there something to do naturally to get my trailing leg from 6:00 under me to 7:00 out from under me?

2) I seem to have a mental problem with the 3 - 10. Is there a standard move off of the 10 pin line or something that minimizes the mental space between the two pins? - (I finally left a 5 &#8211; 7 and moved 4 1/2 boards left and picked it up; 1 &#8211; 1.)

~ John

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#79383 - 02/10/09 06:13 PM Re: 100+ games, a new ball, & a lesson from Erin [Re: ijohn83]
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