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#76918 - 01/24/09 07:36 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
shotcat Offline
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My favorite re league bowling and commitment.
This is a quote from another proprietor. He was talking with a group of 5 or 6 guys in their twenties who were open bowling. They were bowling quite well and obviously competitive. The proprietor started talking to them about league bowling and explained how leagues worked. One of the bowlers said, “we have to be here every Wednesday at 6:30 for 34 weeks” the bowler hesitated and said’ “I wouldn’t commit to show up every Wednesday for 34 weeks to have [censored] at 6:30.” Also my original post is now in the classified section.


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#76919 - 01/24/09 07:49 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: shotcat]
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Forget about on line legues, that is just a contest about who bowls at the easiest house. It is a huge advantage for people who bowl in an easy house to win an on line league against someone who bowls in a house where they oil the lanes once a week.

I think it might be a good idea to have open tournaments instead of league, you could then have people show up and bowl when they feel like it without having to commit to a league every week. You could have mega brackets with who ever shows up to bowl and charge $20 for lineage and $10 for prize fund and have a payoff every night. You could make money from brackets at $5 for an 8 player bracket paying $25 for 1st and $10 for second and house keeping $5

You could have pba pattern tournaments, team tournaments bowled baker format. You will not have the guaranteed money, but you may make a good steady chunk of change each week if it picks up and word spreads.


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#76921 - 01/24/09 08:01 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: CoachJim]
shotcat Offline
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This has to be a handicap league. That means bowling against a guy at an easier house is the same as bowling against a bowler with a higher average in your own house. The handicap makes things even, just like it does in every league in the country every night.

Your other suggestions are good, we have done some similar things in the past.
Thanks for the post.

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#76929 - 01/24/09 09:15 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: shotcat]
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It is hard enough to get handicap right in a league where all the bowlers bowl in the same house. I have bowled in houses where I average 30 pins higher than the place I bowled at. This means that I would have to compete against someone who fist off averages more than me and bowls in an easier house, I doubt there would be enough handicap to make it fair. I can't bowl anymore anyhow so don't mind me.

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#76935 - 01/24/09 09:50 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: shotcat]
Calvin Pistorio Offline
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Originally Posted By: shotcat
Re your last paragraph, that online league bowling is not relevant to league bowling. While that is technically true the same logic would say, side pots, brackets, King of the hill, strike tickets, cards (getting cards for a strike or a spare), and a host of others have no relevance league bowling. Technically that is again true.
But across the country on any league night there are hundreds of thousands of league bowlers playing these little games. (that use league scores just like the online thing we’re talking about) If all those side games were taken away all those bowlers would have a little less excitement, competition, or fun, and it would take away from the overall experience of real league bowling.
Over the last 20 years USBC ABC WBC membership has declined over 40% as has league bowling. As far as the topic title I can see how you might think that, as there is no way you would know where I was coming from. I’ve been a proprietor for a long time and this is a fight a lot of us have been fighting.


The motivating factor for most people in sidepots any more is money. This has contributed to the "professional" sub since they can get into brackets but not have to pay for league bowling. It has nothing to with excitement and it actually takes away from team league bowling and actually makes it a me first team second thing. Some people do have fun with them and enjoy the added competition, I get in a bracket and card game in my Saturday night league, but it wouldn't be a big deal to me if there were none. That's not why I'm there, I'm there to bowl the league. That's true for more people than not and to me those things take away more from the experience of real league bowling again because it becomes me first.
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#76978 - 01/25/09 11:15 AM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: Calvin Pistorio]
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I met my (common-law) wife Alice Yantz at (now-defunct) Key City Lanes here in Port Townsend back in 1989.

At the tme she was bowling in a mixed league on Tuesday Nights, and I was just getting into this great sport just by watching the Professional Bowlers Tour series when it was on ABC Sports back then (I had been watching it here and there since the mid-70s), and she got me into it on a more serious note, and sure enough, a month later, I had my first ever ball drilled. An Ebonite Thunderbolt, and since then, Alice and I are still together, and we always have looked forward to league night.

20 years later, well after Key City Lanes closed down back in 1999, it's now the Thursday Night PSNS (Puget Sound Naval Shipyard) Red & White League (with teammates Jeff and Anna Nordbarg and captain Larry "Mr T." Tibbets) over at beautiful All-Star Lanes in Silverdale, WA, just a 40-mile drive from our home here in Port Townsend, and not even the price of league fee, gas, and dinner out on League night can ever deter us from enjoying this great sport that both of us still continue to enjoy, as well as make like we are on the Tour during Championship Sunday on ESPN (and back in the day on ABC Television on Saturday Afternoons) every week. I even throw in a little PBA-style trash talk and PDW-style "chop" every once in a while, that's how much this great sport and the guys both in league and on Tour have influenced me (now if only I can keep from dropping my shoulder which causes me to throw an errant shot under pressure) LOL.

Yes, this great sport of bowling, and especially league play, have kept myself and Alice together for almost 20 years together (our 20th Anniversary together is this April), and it still will, no matter what stands in our way. That is how much it has kept us together.
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#76979 - 01/25/09 11:24 AM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: BIGHMW]
Adam Keene
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Dropping your shoulder is not considered correct, just figured i'd add that in not to be rude.

edit: thought it was ignorant for me to say that. if your bowling style is different and you drop your shoulder and throw a bad ball obviously wouldn't matter if it's correct or incorrect.

excuse my babble


Edited by Adam Keene (01/25/09 11:25 AM)

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#76980 - 01/25/09 12:30 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: ]
Calvin Pistorio Offline
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Originally Posted By: Adam Keene
Dropping your shoulder is not considered correct, just figured i'd add that in not to be rude.

edit: thought it was ignorant for me to say that. if your bowling style is different and you drop your shoulder and throw a bad ball obviously wouldn't matter if it's correct or incorrect.

excuse my babble


I don't want to go too far off topic but saw this and wanted to comment. There is no such thing as "dropping the shoulder." A lower ball shoulder is due to body lean, and the correct body lean is good. Look at most of the pros and even the top house bowlers in your area, they have good body lean and a lowered ball shoulder which allows for a nice smooth landing, which promotes good ball reaction.
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#76981 - 01/25/09 12:31 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: ]
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If you don't drop your shoulder, you can't release the ball near the lane, and you can't release the ball under your head/eyes, so you won't get a smooth landing, and you won't be able to see your target line.
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#76991 - 01/25/09 02:22 PM Re: Fight the Decline in league bowling [Re: cgeorg]
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Thanks guys for the tips, but I throw the ball pretty straight (almost like Walter Ray or Ernie Schlegel does), and have a very low rev rate, and when playing outside 8 board like I prefer, it somehow causes me to throw the ball right (I am a righty) of target, and sometimes when that happens, it hits the ol' "grey board" instead.
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