Everybody should bowl the way they want to. I myself usually have either almost no axis tilt or 90* tilt (spinner).

However, I have seen how a 30-45* axis tilt can improve the shot under certain conditions.

It's easy to get a big axis tilt. Just come around the side of the ball as you're simultaneously uncupping, and dump it without any lifting by the fingers.

I would add "on a well thrown ball". Too often I watch my PAP stare right at me, unchanging, all the way to the pocket. Lol!

~John

I ran into a guy online who wanted to increase his axis tilt. To him, he wasn't getting enough tilt. After asking a couple of questions, I found out he tends to come around the ball way too much....and he wants to come around more?? <g>

As for myself, I tend to be 10-20* tilt.

This could be (your ball's dynamics) isn't very strong whether it be coverstock or weight block. Also, you may just have too much ball speed for the conditions.
But, then again, it could be a bad drilling. When the pap is "staring at you" the weight block is in motion trying to find itself so it can start tumbling and create that shifting so a fresh part of the ball comes in contact with the lane and gives you hook.
If you're not regularly seeing that, you should get with someone knowledgable. Be persistant...
Bet you leave a few 8-10's? No reason really to have to deal with them.

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Yep - for any condition



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Now that I have covered! I am just working on being persistantly good instead of bad.



More 8-10's instead of 7-10's. I get pin actions that save me a lot of the time.

Will get a Video from back & side view soon.

~ John

Nice stuff. Definately not the balls your using Lol. Though i still question the drillings because even if you throw 20mph it should still flare even if it doesn't hook up. Either way, good luck..

the ball is flairing, you just don't see it. but a piece of tape on the inital pap and you'll see it move of the spot. but having that point of rotation stare at you the entire way down the lane means too much speed for your rev rate. May see some better results with a slower shot.

LOL, i guess i never thought of a ball flaring as "Unchanging" and when someone says pap thats what i think of (not rotation). I do agree that a slower ball speed is the best answer if everyone is in agreement of what a slower ball speed is.

Generally, an unchanging PAP means too much ball speed. Sounds like the ball is laboring too much to try to change direction, and that's why your PAP doesn't really "move". I'd try moving up a couple feet on your approach, as this will help you slow down. Not only do you have to take smaller steps, but it "can" make you "think" more about your footwork, since taking your normal footsteps would result in you going over the foul line. This can help you keep your timing, and allow you to slow down your ball speed to where you can get it to change direction. Good Luck!

~Cheers~

I can come up the back of the ball and have the PAP pointing at the left wall - not seeing it at all. The PAP looking at me is still from my going to the outside of the ball too soon in the down swing.
Very rarely when I keep my hand & wrist in position & let gravity swing the ball I see my PAP at 55 deg, & up 12 deg.
Watching my PAP is kind of a short cut I use to know a good release.