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#7617 - 07/13/06 02:12 PM smoking in the lanes how can it be
luisistaz Offline
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Registered: 01/04/06
Posts: 342
A/S/L: 49/male/Tijuana, Mexico
More than anything I'm venting, I'm angry brickwall .
Starting last january, the bowling lanes and representatives of the leagues after quite a debate by players, decided to make the bowling lanes smoke free ( there was a big problem with smoking in closed spaces, as there is no law in our country that prohibits it). Well, everything's good, but, right after last fridays league, there was an anouncement, they anounced that no smoking was permited, until the last team finished, and afterwards it would be permited again!. Now is that taking a step back or what?, I mean, it was a smoke free enviroment, and it took a lot of convincing even in our thursday Doctors league where I'm league president. The lanes representative said that after smoking was banned, sales and use of the lanes has gone down quite a bit, and they are looking to boost sales. The problem is, since there is no law that prohibits smoking they can do anityng they want, seconly, the lanes don't count with smoke extractors or filters. I don't know what is going to hapen, but soon there will be problems with guys and gals in all leagues smoking again. Everything I've been working for down the drain, ohh well. worried

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#7618 - 07/13/06 02:42 PM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
SoCal Jeff Offline
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Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 419
A/S/L: Orange County, CA
That must be frustrating. I'm a former smoker and as a smoker can tell you there is nobody worse than a former smoker but smoke really doesn't bother me as long as the ventalation is good - and it sounds like your is not. I travel in my business and I went to a small center to bowl a few games on a recent trip and smoking is allowed. Ventalation terrible and low ceilings - a really old house - had to leave.

I feel your pain and good luck in your continuing struggle.

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#7619 - 07/13/06 04:17 PM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
Atochabsh Offline
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Registered: 02/13/01
Posts: 6567
A/S/L: 50/F/California
For the last 20 years I've lived in places where smoking was banned inside public places.

Funny story though, one week, I went to St. Louis for a non bowling convention. Just happened that my hotel was close to a bowling alley so I took a double bag with me. I'm enjoying my open bowling when I look up onto the concourse. Its about 15 to 20 steps up from the lanes. And all I see is blue grey haze all over. I know it wasn't there when I started. But the first thing that came to my mind was that they were starting glow bowling and the fog machine was running. As I went up to get a glass of wine, I was soon corrected that the haze was just from smoking. I was kind of shocked as I'd not seen smoking inside any building for years.

Its true that when smoking was banned in CA years ago there was a huge drop in bowling participation.

Now about the wine.....I asked for a "white wine" thinking that they'd give me the house white, whatever it was. They asked "white zinfadel?" no, "white" I replied. Zinfadel they insisted. I asked how about a Chardonnay? Zinfadel? How about a glass of red wine then (I hate pink wine)....Zinfadel. That's when I really knew I wasn't in California anymore. Just give me a bourbon and coke please.

Erin

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#7620 - 07/13/06 05:39 PM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
Flynwolf Offline
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Registered: 07/08/05
Posts: 90
A/S/L: 33/Male/Laurel, MD
I understand your concerns. Our alleys here ban smoking during most of the daytime glow bowling periods and during any kids leagues (parents and kids or just junior leagues). However, as a smoker, I appreciate the fact that I can bowl without having to step outside between games for a cigarette.

I'm not saying that all alleys should allow smoking. There are several in our area. If an owner wants to ban smoking in his alley, I'm all for it. But it should be a decision of the owner. He should be allowed to weigh the pros and cons. Does he allow smoking and lose militant non-smokers' buisiness? Or does he ban smoking and take a chance of losing the smokers?

It should be his decision either way, based on his personal beliefs and financial concerns.

Just my two cents.

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#7621 - 07/13/06 08:39 PM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
luisistaz Offline
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Registered: 01/04/06
Posts: 342
A/S/L: 49/male/Tijuana, Mexico
Thanks guys, the problem here lies in the abscense of proper filtering sistems and extractors, first and foremost, and secondly, how can a bowling league consisting of doctors be so much pro-smoking, and smoke themselves, when we have got to set an example. Ohh well, it happens.

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#7622 - 07/13/06 09:08 PM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
Atochabsh Offline
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Registered: 02/13/01
Posts: 6567
A/S/L: 50/F/California
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">the problem here lies in the abscense of proper filtering sistems and extractors, first and foremost, </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">Even when they allowed smoking in the alleys there was never a filtration system. I've yet to see or be in a bowling alley that allows smoking and had a filtration system. I suppose they are out there, I've just never seen one.

As for smoking doctors...I bet they are as common as overweight doctors or alcoholic doctors.

Erin

Erin

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#7623 - 07/14/06 11:16 AM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
SoCal Jeff Offline
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Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 419
A/S/L: Orange County, CA
When my dad had a heart attack I was still smoking and when he was in ICU I went outside to the smoking area and there was his doctor and one of his nurses having a cigarette. Just because you know you shouldn't doesn't mean you don't.

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#7624 - 07/14/06 11:58 AM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
Tyveil Offline
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Registered: 10/20/03
Posts: 463
A/S/L: Kansas
I don't know about a filtration system but I know our house has put a lot of money into their ventilation system so it clears out the smoke pretty well. Most lanes I've been to within 100 miles at least do not allow smoking in the bowling area, they have either a bar area or smokers have to stay back so far behind the lanes.
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#7625 - 07/16/06 04:08 PM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
Rollin' Cowboy Offline
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Registered: 01/02/06
Posts: 192
A/S/L: 39/M/Atlanta
Interesting to see points from abroad. Since I currentl live in the Atlanta area now this has been quite a debate in every business from restaurants to bowling centers to bars and clubs. Starngely enough it was passed and is in effect that smoking is not allowed statewide. As all of this was still in legislation here a man who owns a country/western dance club installed a $1,000,000.00 ventilation system in his club for patrons who smoke. 6 months later, smoking was banned in all enclosed public places to include bars. Nothing like seeing a million dollars go absolutely no where but could have used that million for something else. Odd fact: If an establishment has a certain amount of revenue based on the consumption of alcoholic beverages smoking can be allowed in the bar area but not on the concourse or in the bowling area itself. At a restaurant you have to be a minimum of 50 feet outside any entrance to smoke but the guy who owns this club still has to maintain a total smoke free environment and there is no question that the bulk of his revenue is produced by the sale of alcholic beverages. Go figure. As for me, I am a non-smoker but prefer to indulge in my nicotine habit in another form. Smokers have never bothered me. Non-smokers have never bothered me. My opinion for whatever it's worth: Live and let live. Smokers and non-smokers alike should have the right to enjoy their own freedoms when it comes to this and it's just as easy for the non-smokers to step outside as easily as it is for the smokers. I will agree that for the kids, smokers should refrain from being within a certain proximity of children. I too have seen a rapid decline in the number of bowlers in centers where it is a smoke free environment and to atttempt to recover from those losses here, most of the bowling centers have cosmic bowling on Saturdays (after youth league)until the time they close. So what happens to those of us who want to work on our game on a Saturday fairly early in the day or in the evening? Go to a totally unfamiliar house? Wait until Sunday? Something's got to give and I believe that both the smokers and the non-smokers should learn to accept each others' vices or lack thereof and keep bowling as it's intended to be.....FUN!
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#7626 - 07/16/06 06:23 PM Re: smoking in the lanes how can it be
Roy Offline
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Registered: 06/04/06
Posts: 26
A/S/L: Denver
Well smoking in public buildings was made illegal here in Colorado July 1st. Only cigar bars, casinos and smoking lounges in airports are the only place you can smoke. Really nice coming home from bowling and not smelling like a dirty ashtray. Really didn't hear or see anyone really complaining about either.

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