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#74388 - 01/03/0908:34 AMPolishing a Raw Hammer Anger
VFF57
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Anybody ever try polishing a Raw Hammer Anger and did they like it?
Reason why I'm considering adjusting the cover again is I've seen this happen all to many times: the ball would start to make it's move towards the pocket around the 3 pin and just stall and hit very light leaving bad things like wash-outs. When the ball was new I did like it because it could make the turn (in a arc shape) and finish well. I use this ball on a medium to sometimes heavier THS playing the outside ~ 7 board. If I move right when this happens (righty) I'll nose it leaving bad splits.
The ball has about 50 games on it and I've given it hot water baths, refinished to 2000 and tried 1000 using a spinner and abralon pads, but I can't seem to make this ball move like it did. At 1000 grit the ball seems to roll-out early and finish even worse than at 2000 (OOB). My plan is to take it down to 360; give it another good bath; take it up to 1000 and add polish making it more of a skid-Flip ball since it seems to lose its energy too early now. The ball seems like it has more shine then it did when new probably because of oil but giving it multiple baths w/some simple green doesn't help. I did see oil come out of the ball during the baths.
I've since replaced the ball with a Storm VG so I can experiment with this ball and try to make it have its place again.
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I'm not an expert by any means but it sounds to me like the ball is burning up. Taking it down to 2000 and below will only make this worse. I would actually go up to 3000-4000. Or maybe the polish will help.
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#74400 - 01/03/0912:46 PMRe: Polishing a Raw Hammer Anger
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I honestly don't understand why people are as hesitant to make surface adjustments as they are. I'm not singling you out vff57, this question seems to come up a lot. Just do it! If you don't like it, just take it back to where it was; no harm, no foul. Heck, try em all - 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, and then each with a coat of polish. See what works best. A bowling ball is a canvas, not a finished work of art.
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I kind of agree with CG on this, just go for it if you think you need to tweak the surface to get the desired reaction. I don't think this should be done with a ball to try to make it work on a condition it's not made for, like a Cell being tamed down for light or dry lanes. There are balls better suited for it. Same thing with trying to make a ball like a Scout or Power Groove work on heavy oil.
I also believe the ball in question is experiencing burnout, going up or polishing it might help, or even getting a little more into the oil.
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#74405 - 01/03/0901:08 PMRe: Polishing a Raw Hammer Anger
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VFF57
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That's what I think is happening as well. What's strange is it didn't start dying at the pocket until about 30-40 games and I do take care of my equipment. I would think once the ball soaked up some oil it would behave more like a polished ball.
Anyway, since my original post I wet sanded the ball with 360 Abralon and gave it multiple baths. I did see more oil come out of it and now it's squeaky clean. I brought it up to 1000 grit and applied factory finish polish that has no grit factor. This is an experiment to see what it does during practice tomorrow. If I don't like it, I'll bring it back once again to OOB to see if the re-cleaning helped. If not then 4000 with no polish.
For me this is part of the fun playing around with ball surfaces to see how they react. I did the same thing with my Psycho because right out of the box I didn't like it - too jumpy and back row pin leaves. After some experimentation I discovered that the ball works perfect for me at 4000 grit - no polish.
At 30-40 games, the Track area of the bull was probably duller than the rest of the coverstock. The friction with the lanes will dull the Track of the ball some. This will mean the ball will burn up energy a little sooner. Just a quick touch up on the spinner to take it back to the surface you like might have helped, especially with the de-oiling of the ball.
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I don't disagree with anything said so far, but would also add a treatment in an Hook Again kit. The first time I used it, very skeptical... but I was impressed with the overall end result. My Angular was flat dead and needed attention. The kit was free with a purchase from the web. I actually did a 150 degree water bath, with a degreaser and the surface at 500, then the hook again and was really surprised by how much it brought the ball back. Went up to 1000 abralon and factory finish polish and it's almost new...
That being said, altering the cover is a lot like standing on the high dive over the deep end of the pool, but as said, jump in, the water is fine...
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#74508 - 01/04/0902:00 PMRe: Polishing a Raw Hammer Anger
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VFF57
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Tried the ANGER at 1000 with polish on a fresh THS this morning during practice. It skidded all right but no Flip on the backend. It basically turned into a weak cherry Vibe. When I got home I brought it back to OOB (2000 no polish). I'll try it again next time I bowl and see how it is...
I looked at the "hook again" product in the past but wasn't sure if it worked. Maybe I'll try it next time I place an order for stuff.
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I am not a fan of polishes.. atleast polishes that contain wax or slip agents to reduce hook.. a pure high grit polish I like.. but nothing that has any wax..
I agree with the other post.. sounds like the ball is rolling out and a lower grit will only make it worse..
just try it at 4000 abralon..if it is too long or too over undere try a worn 2000 abralon.. this will put a decent shine on the ball and the ball will be awesome.. I did it and the ball will still have a little early midlane read but very responsive on the backend... just remember you may have to reduce the speed a bit with the 4000 finish so the ball will read the dry. When I am testing out a ball I like to start way left and swing the ball as much as I can at the slowest speed I need to to get back to the pocket.. just to see what the ball can do.. Then move right so that I can play a little straighter with more speed.
I just went back to the oob finish of new 2000 abralon and I forgot how early this ball rolls... For me around here I don't really see any conditions that I can use my Cell or anger with the box finish.. They just want to check up way to early..skid Flip is what works better.
#74604 - 01/05/0905:47 PMRe: Polishing a Raw Hammer Anger
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VFF57
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Originally Posted By: J_w73
I am not a fan of polishes.. atleast polishes that contain wax or slip agents to reduce hook.. a pure high grit polish I like.. but nothing that has any wax..
I agree with the other post.. sounds like the ball is rolling out and a lower grit will only make it worse..
just try it at 4000 abralon..if it is too long or too over undere try a worn 2000 abralon.. this will put a decent shine on the ball and the ball will be awesome.. I did it and the ball will still have a little early midlane read but very responsive on the backend... just remember you may have to reduce the speed a bit with the 4000 finish so the ball will read the dry. When I am testing out a ball I like to start way left and swing the ball as much as I can at the slowest speed I need to to get back to the pocket.. just to see what the ball can do.. Then move right so that I can play a little straighter with more speed.
I just went back to the oob finish of new 2000 abralon and I forgot how early this ball rolls... For me around here I don't really see any conditions that I can use my Cell or anger with the box finish.. They just want to check up way to early..skid Flip is what works better.
Thanks J_w73 for your input on the Anger. polishes don't seem to be working for me either. I'm going to try the Anger again with the fresh 2000 - OOB finish and see what it does. If I don't like it again, I'm going to either go up to 4000 as you said, or put the ball away for tournaments at lanes that have more oil.
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