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#68810 - 10/16/08 04:42 PM What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)?
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My PAP is 4 1/2" Right, 1/4" up.

I was thinking there might be a trend with the better bowlers and/or speed dominant and/or rev. dominant and/or speed rev. matched bowlers.

Can you tell good or bad releases based on the PAP?

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#68812 - 10/16/08 05:00 PM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: ijohn83]
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Mine is 5" over and 1/2 up. maybe it's 1/4 up now I don't remember.
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#68815 - 10/16/08 06:23 PM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: FuseG4]
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Mine is 4 7/8" over, 1/2" up, which gives me a mild spinner-type Track.
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#68843 - 10/17/08 01:54 AM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: Richie V.]
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5" over, 1/4" down
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#68847 - 10/17/08 03:28 AM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: Luksa]
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4 1/2" over, varies down 1/4" to up 1/2" depending on release.
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#68852 - 10/17/08 04:36 AM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: bryhardt]
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Is a varying PAP a good thing or a bad thing? I thought the PAP was like your finger print. Do you purposely vary it or does it just happen?

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#68853 - 10/17/08 05:44 AM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: ijohn83]
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If all you know is one release and try to perform it consistently, you want your PAP to be always the same - this is in an indication of a consistent release.

If you know how to execute different releases, chances are you will have a different PAP for each of them.

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#68863 - 10/17/08 10:00 AM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: Luksa]
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Can you tell good or bad releases based on the PAP?


There is a range where a good release is typically in, that being from 5 7/8 to 3 1/2" over and not more than 1 1/2" up or down. Past that there are exceptions to every rule and there is no way of knowing if you have a good release or not based on your measurements.

You can alter your axis rotation without changing your numbers, if you can adjust your tilt then your numbers will change.

A higher differential ball will have a pap closer to the grip center than a pancake weight block that doesn't flare very much. This is because the ball will flare in the air before the ball hits the lane, those who lay the ball down closer to the foul line will not notice this phenomena as much as someone with more loft.

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#68895 - 10/17/08 08:04 PM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: CoachJim]
ijohn83 Offline
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Thanks for the answers to my questions once again! It’s truly amazing the knowledge shared here on this board. I really think I am understanding drillings and ball reactions well - now if I could just keep under & inside & not turn too soon on my release.

Still working hard/smart to have game.

~ John

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#73808 - 12/27/08 01:52 AM Re: What is your Positive Axis Point (PAP)? [Re: ijohn83]
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Found this online. Thought it might be of interest:

Chris Barnes - PAP is 5 inches over 1 inch up.

Wes Malott - PAP is 5 inches over and 3/4 inches up.

Robert Smith - PAP is 5 1/2 inches over, no up or down.

Ryan Shafer - PAP is 5 3/8 inches over, no up or down.

Norm Duke - PAP is 5 3/4 inches over, no up or down.

Steve Jaros - PAP is 5 3/4 inches over, no up or down.

Pete Weber - PAP is 6 inches over, no up or down.

Ryan Shafer - PAP is 5 inches over, no up or down.

Patrick Healey - PAP is 5 1/2 inches over, no up or down.

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