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#70774 - 11/16/08 11:53 PM Re: League rule help [Re: SilentTuba]
Lefty Offline
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Jekyl - It doesn't matter how many times you explain it. It's against the rules.

Here's a Q&A about switching hands.

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May a bowler switch his/her delivery after the start of the season due to injury?

Yes. However, the bowler is required to obtain permission from the league’s board of directors. If the bowler were later able to return to their original hand delivery, permission would again have to be obtained from the board. No combination of scores bowled both right- and left-handed can be used in computing an average. Therefore, two separate averages would have to be maintained. A bowler who switches without permission forfeits those games.


By USBC rule, the games you bowled with the hand other than the one you started the league with are forfeited.

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#70775 - 11/16/08 11:56 PM Re: League rule help [Re: SilentTuba]
Lefty Offline
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Originally Posted By: SilentTuba
Others have explained that they think it is not a foolish rule, and have gone so far as to explain how severe the penalty might be for breaking it.


There's really not a "might be". The rule is that the games are forfeit. The league may have chosen to break the rule and not make him forfeit the games, but that's still what's supposed to happen.

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#70780 - 11/17/08 01:22 AM Re: League rule help [Re: SilentTuba]
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Man, you think an internet forum is rough? How do you get by in real life?

You asked we answered. It didn't go your way and you tried to rationalize your actions repeatedly with hints of "you're picking on me".

Its true you were lucky. Some leagues around here would hold the league to the forfeiture rule and the entire league would now be in chaos due to your actions. Sorry if you don't like the reply but its my opinion from my experience. 10000 bowlers and over 200 leagues in our association.

So much about this game is out of our control, the lane conditions the type of balls on the market. But the rules are there period. They are not out of our control they are the rules for USBC league play. Our association has a lot of non sanctioned leagues. If you want a league without such rules, ask around your local centers for a non sanctioned league.

Erin


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#70817 - 11/17/08 12:46 PM Re: League rule help [Re: Mkirchie]
Jekyl6573 Offline
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I can't believe that someone even let you establish two different averages with two different hands in the same league in the first place. You were essentially listed as two different bowlers, not one. Not only that, but that they let it go on for as many weeks as you have stated, that should have been handled the second week the first time you changed hands. Although it is against the rules, they let it go way too long.

Mark


exactly

I was subbing for 8 weeks and nothing had been said. I thought everything was fine as long as I told the opposing team. The company just received noticed that I was suing them and all of a sudden there is a problem. That's why I had to ask. But then this topic got outta hand.


Edited by Jekyl6573 (11/17/08 12:47 PM)

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#70820 - 11/17/08 01:27 PM Re: League rule help [Re: Jekyl6573]
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What does the company you used to work for have to do with anything? Aside from the fact that the sect works there?? Tell ya what, if you had attempted that in any league I bowl in, and you would have been called on it immediately with perhaps a verbal warning but the rules are very clear about the penalties about establishing an average with both the left and right hand in the same league.... and if the league officers did not address it, you can be sure I would have addressed it by emailing USBC National headquarters... If the league was not Sanctioned by the USBC you can do whatever you want, but since it is, you are bound to adhere to USBC rules and regulations. You can still do anything you want, but bear in mind that there could repercussions as far as games being forfeited, etc.... if usbc rules are not adhered to.
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#70821 - 11/17/08 02:00 PM Re: League rule help [Re: ExBronxiteBowler]
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I think that the main thing about it is that he was allowed to do it for so long and then was told no after the law suit was filed.

I can see a stink brought up about doing it in the same league. What about different leagues? Say Monday righty and Tuesday lefty?
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#70825 - 11/17/08 02:28 PM Re: League rule help [Re: General Pounder]
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No issue there since its not the same league. I could see the rule being challenged in another way though.. if he pays for two spots, and bowls on the same team, one lefty and one righty, establishes an average for lefty and one for righty, and does not switch hands in the middle of a frame they might let him do that. That might be worth checking out with the USBC to see if that is allowed....
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#70827 - 11/17/08 02:43 PM Re: League rule help [Re: ExBronxiteBowler]
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I remember a few years ago, there was a college pitcher who could throw right and left handed. They made him declare which hand before each player but when he wouldn't change hands once he started a game. He could be his own relief pitcher.

Exbronxite:

I think that you may have a point. Plus, he was told which hand he had to use. I don't think that is correct. I think that he should be able to choose.
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#70831 - 11/17/08 03:04 PM Re: League rule help [Re: General Pounder]
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I think that you may have a point. Plus, he was told which hand he had to use. I don't think that is correct. I think that he should be able to choose.


He chose on the first night of bowling. Once he threw a ball with either his left hand or right, that's the hand he has to use unless he gets approval from the board of directors that he can switch to the other hand.

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#70850 - 11/17/08 06:41 PM Re: League rule help [Re: General Pounder]
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Originally Posted By: General Pounder
I remember a few years ago, there was a college pitcher who could throw right and left handed. They made him declare which hand before each player but when he wouldn't change hands once he started a game. He could be his own relief pitcher.


To go off on this tangent, I read about something like this happening this past spring. The pitched could throw with either hand, and the batter was also a switch hitter. When one switched the other switched. I forget what all happened, I know the umps stepped in as the at bat was taking forever.
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