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#68989 - 10/19/08 10:38 PM 2 Handed Slow Motion
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Hey everyone, just the other day, I was tinkering with my release and I had some trouble getting from the strong position in my swing around quick enough to give me more revolutions. I just wasn't finishing and it just wasn't happening.

This is when I thought that I would try throwing with two hands. It was fun watching my ball hook out of the park on a scorpion pattern, but not too fun being inconsistent. So as I make a journey into this style, I would like to do something that I am good at, so that anyone that wants to get into it can get some tips on how the best in the world do it. I slowed a few videos down for all to see. I hope everyone enjoys the videos and keep the thread alive. All comments are welcome.

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#69009 - 10/20/08 12:06 PM Re: 2 Handed Slow Motion [Re: howiegroove]
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Not sure if it's different with the 2 hand approach. Though it seems as if you're over extending your slide step. So you might be taking away from your power step.
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#78283 - 02/02/09 10:14 PM Re: 2 Handed Slow Motion [Re: AmpleSound]
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#79419 - 02/10/09 10:45 PM Re: 2 Handed Slow Motion [Re: cherry scented]
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Check 0:16 in the first video against 2:26 in the Belmonte video: see how much bend Belmonte's elbow has? The other guy's trying to get it done with brute strength IMO. (I think Belmonte opens his body more, too, though it's hard to tell because of his leftward drift.)

You might want to check out Osku Palermaa, as well. Palermaa hasn't had the success of Belmonte, but I've seen him praised specifically for his form.
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#79427 - 02/11/09 12:28 AM Re: 2 Handed Slow Motion [Re: untutored]
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If you look at 7:56 in the last video you can really see the skip step he has in his approach, both feet are off the ground and his landing goes into his slide. While his results are impressive I would not advocate having both feet of the ground during an approach.
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#79432 - 02/11/09 01:11 AM Re: 2 Handed Slow Motion [Re: Dr. Seuss]
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Brian Himmler has the same skip-step. I think it's a function of relying on forward momentum for ball speed, and of not being able to "release" his armswing while he's drifting left.

Think of a right-handed quarterback trying to throw to the right while fading left. If he can't plant his feet, he has to try to set his body in the air, right?
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#79433 - 02/11/09 01:12 AM Re: 2 Handed Slow Motion [Re: Dr. Seuss]
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The skip step is pretty common for two handed bowlers. Both Belmonte and Palermaa have it as well.

You can see videos of Palermaa's approach at http://www.oskupalermaa.fi (click on the english flag if you get the finnish version. The videos are then located under "Photos and videos").

Here's a slow motion close-up of his release (Notice how his hand is completely under and on the inside of the ball. Also, he's laying the ball down on the 12th board, not hooking the whole lane - this was shot on the short pattern):



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#79456 - 02/11/09 08:23 AM Re: 2 Handed Slow Motion [Re: Luksa]
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The skip step is necessary to clear your hips for the arm assisting the shot (the left arm for belmonte). If you try to walk normally, that left arm hits your right hip/leg unless the backswing is very low.
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