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#67674 - 09/29/08 01:15 PM despicable league behavior - local USBC coach
eastwest Offline
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Although this is related to fall/winter league for '08, I think it's off-topic enough that I'd better make a separate thread. Here's how things went down last night (Sunday).

So, I show up 30 mins early with a teammate and watch the Reskins continue to outplay the Cowboys, as there's hardly anyone who's arrived yet. Our lane assignments are 29-30, and we're sitting near 37-38. After 20 mins go by, guy shows up from another team who is assigned to lanes near where my friend and I are sitting. He abruptly relays to us that the chair I'm sitting in is his and he needs it. Being that I was in a great mood about the game, I just got up and left because I didn't wanna deal with his attitude and I had to start collecting money anyways.

My teammates and I are getting prepared for our match when all of the sudden the same guy (I'll leave out his name....for now) explodes in a high-decibel tirade to EVERYONE in that area. Swear words, insults, huge amounts of disrespect and just general yelling ensues and everyone is shocked by his 10 minute outburst of anger. Those 10 mins included him yelling at and intimidating senior citizens, youths, PROPRIETOR, and league officials.

So, I come to find out he's a USBC COACH! What the heck, I'm thinking this guy has lost his marbles. Turns out this is not the first time he's exploded, and all of the anger was over the positioning of his.... TABLE and CHAIRS. I mean, whatever his reason for being angry, don't bring that trash onto the lanes and express it, especially when you're a USBC COACH and heading up JUNIOR leagues. (To clarify, our league is not the one he heads up). I mean, this was/is truly despicable.

His son is on his team and actually tried to calm him down, before realize his attempts were futile and admitted his dad was likely abusing alcohol at the time.

I've taken some actions on my part in response to the situation, but I'm interested to hear how you all would personally respond to such a disgusting display in public, when it's a USBC coach.


Edited by eastwest (09/29/08 01:17 PM)
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#67677 - 09/29/08 01:27 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: eastwest]
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If this guy shows up and does a repeat performance be ready to videotape him via cellphone or whatever and report him to the USBC to strip him of his coaching credentials.

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#67680 - 09/29/08 01:59 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: johnw1]
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Maybe in addition to HIS table woes,...He was a Cowboys fan.. wink
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#67682 - 09/29/08 02:24 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: Tim Gerard]
eastwest Offline
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johnw1 - I agree with that avenue of action, but the USBC has said they pretty much don't care and can't do anything about it. I was appalled by their lack of interest that a coach THEY certified is acting this way.
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#67684 - 09/29/08 02:37 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: eastwest]
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A few years back I was bowling in a scratch trios league that had a average cap, there was a team of two 220+ average guys that wanted to bowl together, so they had to have a 170 average bowler to get under the cap. One night I had the misfortune of bowling against them and we won the first game by less than 10 pins, the second game was coming down to the wire and we were wining that game too, my teammates bowled first and second since it was Peterson points the 220avg guys on the other team thought they would match up better against the other two guys on my team and since I had been struggling they had the 170 avg bowler bowl against me. I left a split in the 10th and the 170 avg bowler needed just a mark in the 10th to beat me and pick up 3 points since we swept them the first game and my teammates bowled well and beat the 220avg guys they needed those 3 points to try and turn things around. I left a pocket 7-10 and the 170 avg bowler left a 10 pin, I got the count and sat and watched the 170 avg bowler pull the ball inside and miss the 10 pin.

One 220 guy walked away, the other turned bright red and started a torrent of obscenity directed at the 170 avg bowler. I headed up to the snack bar to get a drink and when I came back the [censored] was still screaming at the 170 avg guy to the point where he packed his equipment up and left, I told the [censored] not to think he is going to use the blind of the guy, since he quit he had to take a 140 vacancy score, and he started to get into it with me, I told him the door was over there if he wanted to pack his gear I would load it into his trunk while he was on his way to the hospital.

This [censored] is one of the top bowlers in our association and has won the city tournament and done well in other tournaments. I'm not sure if this is the same guy or not, as EastWest and I live in the same area, but it sounds like it.

This past summer I started coaching a local youth bowler and come to find out that his past coaching has came from the [censored] I mentioned in my story, and is now coaching youth bowlers, and seems to be a different person than back then, but you never know. As soon as the kid I was coaching mentioned this was his coach, I envisioned the Cobra Kai Youth league run by the [censored] from the Karate Kid movie.

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#67685 - 09/29/08 02:40 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: eastwest]
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I would submit a formal complaint to the league officers. They need to go to him and make him aware that his behavior is not tolerated. If it persists, then a captains meeting is needed to boot him from the league. If the officers don't want to do anything, complain to bowling alley management. Let it take its course from there.
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#67688 - 09/29/08 03:02 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: General Pounder]
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U like the redskins? =( I love the cowboys! thats unheard of! Okay now back to the topic. Yea I would definately submit a complaint.
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#67689 - 09/29/08 03:06 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: Justinmill14]
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Quote:
U like the redskins? =( I love the cowboys! thats unheard of!


nelson How about those RedSkins!

I Love the Skins, my season was made yesterday, I thought it was going to be a long year, but yesterday was like winning the Superbowl in September.

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#67692 - 09/29/08 03:27 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: CoachJim]
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If he was not acting in the roll of a USBC Coach (no badge/emblem, or shirt signifying he's a USBC Coach) then I don't see any difference in his behavior from anyone elses' that might have blown a gasket. His behavior was out line, but it had absolutely nothing to do with him being a USBC Coach.

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#67700 - 09/29/08 04:47 PM Re: despicable league behavior - local USBC coach [Re: Atochabsh]
eastwest Offline
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Coach - that's a heck of a story and it sure sounds like similar behavior. As we both agree, the bowling center should be a place of fun and relaxation along with friendly competition (especially in a casual handicap league). A lot of the respect for others in public, from back in the day is now gone, it seems.
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GP - I may submit a complaint, but the officials seem disinterested in taking action so I don't want to cast a bad light on my team and get forced out. Seems that there's soooo much politics in the bowling scene. It's kinda disheartening at times.
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Justin - Did you previously live in TX before TN? TN is a beautiful state and I actually met a guy from there who works in my building, the other day. R u a Vols fan?
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Erin - I didn't mean to give the impression I though he was violating USBC coach rules by acting this way in league, but I did think it was a horrible representation of the sport and being that he's USBC certified makes it all the much more disappointing. I realize his actions were not due to his USBC status.
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