Although this is related to fall/winter league for '08, I think it's off-topic enough that I'd better make a separate thread. Here's how things went down last night (Sunday).

So, I show up 30 mins early with a teammate and watch the Reskins continue to outplay the Cowboys, as there's hardly anyone who's arrived yet. Our lane assignments are 29-30, and we're sitting near 37-38. After 20 mins go by, guy shows up from another team who is assigned to lanes near where my friend and I are sitting. He abruptly relays to us that the chair I'm sitting in is his and he needs it. Being that I was in a great mood about the game, I just got up and left because I didn't wanna deal with his attitude and I had to start collecting money anyways.

My teammates and I are getting prepared for our match when all of the sudden the same guy (I'll leave out his name....for now) explodes in a high-decibel tirade to EVERYONE in that area. Swear words, insults, huge amounts of disrespect and just general yelling ensues and everyone is shocked by his 10 minute outburst of anger. Those 10 mins included him yelling at and intimidating senior citizens, youths, PROPRIETOR, and league officials.

So, I come to find out he's a USBC COACH! What the heck, I'm thinking this guy has lost his marbles. Turns out this is not the first time he's exploded, and all of the anger was over the positioning of his.... TABLE and CHAIRS. I mean, whatever his reason for being angry, don't bring that trash onto the lanes and express it, especially when you're a USBC COACH and heading up JUNIOR leagues. (To clarify, our league is not the one he heads up). I mean, this was/is truly despicable.

His son is on his team and actually tried to calm him down, before realize his attempts were futile and admitted his dad was likely abusing alcohol at the time.

I've taken some actions on my part in response to the situation, but I'm interested to hear how you all would personally respond to such a disgusting display in public, when it's a USBC coach.

If this guy shows up and does a repeat performance be ready to videotape him via cellphone or whatever and report him to the USBC to strip him of his coaching credentials.

Maybe in addition to HIS table woes,...He was a Cowboys fan..

johnw1 - I agree with that avenue of action, but the USBC has said they pretty much don't care and can't do anything about it. I was appalled by their lack of interest that a coach THEY certified is acting this way.
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Tim - Haha, I like the way you think.

A few years back I was bowling in a scratch trios league that had a average cap, there was a team of two 220+ average guys that wanted to bowl together, so they had to have a 170 average bowler to get under the cap. One night I had the misfortune of bowling against them and we won the first game by less than 10 pins, the second game was coming down to the wire and we were wining that game too, my teammates bowled first and second since it was Peterson points the 220avg guys on the other team thought they would match up better against the other two guys on my team and since I had been struggling they had the 170 avg bowler bowl against me. I left a split in the 10th and the 170 avg bowler needed just a mark in the 10th to beat me and pick up 3 points since we swept them the first game and my teammates bowled well and beat the 220avg guys they needed those 3 points to try and turn things around. I left a pocket 7-10 and the 170 avg bowler left a 10 pin, I got the count and sat and watched the 170 avg bowler pull the ball inside and miss the 10 pin.

One 220 guy walked away, the other turned bright red and started a torrent of obscenity directed at the 170 avg bowler. I headed up to the snack bar to get a drink and when I came back the [censored] was still screaming at the 170 avg guy to the point where he packed his equipment up and left, I told the [censored] not to think he is going to use the blind of the guy, since he quit he had to take a 140 vacancy score, and he started to get into it with me, I told him the door was over there if he wanted to pack his gear I would load it into his trunk while he was on his way to the hospital.

This [censored] is one of the top bowlers in our association and has won the city tournament and done well in other tournaments. I'm not sure if this is the same guy or not, as EastWest and I live in the same area, but it sounds like it.

This past summer I started coaching a local youth bowler and come to find out that his past coaching has came from the [censored] I mentioned in my story, and is now coaching youth bowlers, and seems to be a different person than back then, but you never know. As soon as the kid I was coaching mentioned this was his coach, I envisioned the Cobra Kai Youth league run by the [censored] from the Karate Kid movie.

I would submit a formal complaint to the league officers. They need to go to him and make him aware that his behavior is not tolerated. If it persists, then a captains meeting is needed to boot him from the league. If the officers don't want to do anything, complain to bowling alley management. Let it take its course from there.

U like the redskins? =( I love the cowboys! thats unheard of! Okay now back to the topic. Yea I would definately submit a complaint.

How about those RedSkins!

I Love the Skins, my season was made yesterday, I thought it was going to be a long year, but yesterday was like winning the Superbowl in September.

If he was not acting in the roll of a USBC Coach (no badge/emblem, or shirt signifying he's a USBC Coach) then I don't see any difference in his behavior from anyone elses' that might have blown a gasket. His behavior was out line, but it had absolutely nothing to do with him being a USBC Coach.

Erin

Coach - that's a heck of a story and it sure sounds like similar behavior. As we both agree, the bowling center should be a place of fun and relaxation along with friendly competition (especially in a casual handicap league). A lot of the respect for others in public, from back in the day is now gone, it seems.
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GP - I may submit a complaint, but the officials seem disinterested in taking action so I don't want to cast a bad light on my team and get forced out. Seems that there's soooo much politics in the bowling scene. It's kinda disheartening at times.
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Justin - Did you previously live in TX before TN? TN is a beautiful state and I actually met a guy from there who works in my building, the other day. R u a Vols fan?
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Erin - I didn't mean to give the impression I though he was violating USBC coach rules by acting this way in league, but I did think it was a horrible representation of the sport and being that he's USBC certified makes it all the much more disappointing. I realize his actions were not due to his USBC status.

I dont have a tolerance for people like that. I'd have to given him a beaten. Of course thats the beauty of being a south pawed farm boy that bowls right handed. I suppose the right thing in my opinion is for the bowling center to temporarly suspend him for his actions. Thats assame to see that.

Mark

I dont have a tolerance for people like that. I'd have to given him a beaten. Of course thats the beauty of being a south pawed farm boy that bowls right handed. I suppose the right thing in my opinion is for the bowling center to temporarly suspend him for his actions. Thats assame to see that.

Mark

I dont have a tolerance for people like that. I'd have to given him a beaten. Of course thats the beauty of being a south pawed farm boy that bowls right handed. I suppose the right thing in my opinion is for the bowling center to temporarly suspend him for his actions. Thats assame to see that.

Mark

There was a time when I would camp out at "his" table and ask him to remove me if he wanted to.

Once met a guy like this at a neighborhood Scotch Doubles event. I didn't know him, but the fellow running the event was really embarrassed. He asked if I could calm him down.

A few minutes later, the organizing fellow came up to me and asked where the loud mouth had gone. I said, the last time I saw him, he was on the ground between the third and fourth car in the parking lot. Enough said.

I have very little tolerance for abusive language, especially when fueled by alcohol.

Nice, Dennis. All ya need sometimes is a nice hook to knock out these idiots. I'm the same way when it comes to alcohol fueled language, anger and idiotic behavior.

It sounds like this "coach" needs to have a TLC match with the guys on WWE if he's that passionate about tables and chairs and that angry when people desicrate them.

Yes, a TLC match is defintely what he needs!

In some places, wouldn't they call the police for behavior like that? I know they might if the guy was kicking ball returns and scoring matchines. I know that's not what he's doing but he's still out of control.

All I'm sayin is a Swan-Ton Bomb off a 20 foot ladder through two tables onto a concrete floor would shut him up. A stern talking to or a punch in the face might work just as well.

Well, as someone who is a coach and who was a hothead, I guess I can't say a whole lot. I have had my tirades, but I have grown up. What bothers me is a) alcohol was involved and b) he was complaining about seating. Holy cow! Is the guy OCD or something?

I'm like everyone else here. I do not put up with alcohol-induced tirades. If you can't handle your booze you either should not be drinking or you need to have your hindside firmly kicked - many, many times. The last two people who went on an alcohol-induced tirade in my presence were my ex brother-in-law, who nearly met his demise at my hands and a loudmouth idiot who came out of the lounge drunk off his tail who was promptly escorted back to the lounge by yours truly and two other adults.

Back to the point at hand, unless that man was acting in the capacity of a coach, he is "untouchable" as far as his coaching credentials are concerned. Yes, he is a despicable, loathsome, sorry excuse for a human being (and coach), but it is up to the league at hand and to the management of the bowling center to deal with him because his actions were outside the scope of the junior bowling league and/or a function where his capacity was "coach", not paying customer.

But, you may have some recourse as per USBC Rules:

This one's a bit of a stretch, but possible:

I'd highlight those passages, show them to Mr. Hothead and see what he has to say for himself.

Hmmmm, must have missed the temperment test at the coaching class.

Erin

Brian,

Those passages were unknown to me until this morning; thanks for the back-up. I may print those out and hand a copy to both the gentleman and the league officers.

Hopefully this coming week is free of such drama! On a brighter note, I compete in my first tourney ever, this Sunday

I don't know about drama free, but it should be interesting.

Regardless, good luck in your tourney eastwest.

Well the thing with USBC rules, they usually only have authority in USBC sanctioned competitions and not before or after. Since it sounds like scoring hadn't started yet it would be a stretch to actually bring those rules into play.

Ok. I'm late to this thread, but I have to agree this is absolutely despicable behavior.....I cannot believe you are a skins fan.

bry, hehe, I was born in the area and have stuck with my home team through thick and thin Sorry to hear about the Dawgs :-\ I was kinda pulling for them.

I moved to Baltimore when the closest teams were the Eagles, Steelers and Redskins. I stuck with the team from the city I was born in, which the Losers shall remaIn nameless in this thread, unless sOmeoNe elSe names them. Even when the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens I stuck with my losers.

There are worse things than being a 'Skins fan though.

I don't think it would be too much of a stretch, actually. Sure, scoring hasn't taken place, but if you are there representing the league, then certainly 115a-1-a does apply. Of course, the idiot could be "put on notice" at the very least.

Erin, while there certainly is no "temperament class" (because I might've failed previously), that's not the point. While I'm glad the USBC is getting more stringent about who can coach in terms of background checks, I also think an incident such as this, while certainly not "absolutely damning" in terms of when it happened, does speak volumes about the person's character. My "attitude problem" isn't towards other people, it's always self-induced because I am a perfectionist and very critical of my own game and abilities. Does it make it right? No. But a drunken rage like that idiot went on, well, there's no excuse for that, either, and you know what they say; alcohol brings out your true personality.

I'll leave it at that.

HEY NOW! Let's don't go there. I may have to go off on a rant about the moronic lack of a playoff system in college football.

Yeah, like being a Rams, Raiders, Bengals, or Lions fan. Any of those could be worse.

BTW, anyone else watch the Steelers v. Ravens game? Ouch! I've seen very few games that were as hard-hitting as that one.

At what point does one start or stop representing the league for the rule to be enforced?

I'm not disagreeing that something needs to be said to the guy, but trying to use a rule to justify it is a stretch. I think the center management might want to step up to address the situation.



Well I'm a Lions fan, but I was referring to the fans of the bandwagon teams.

I did watch half the of the Steelers/Ravens game, the first half. I was glad to hear the Steelers won in over time.

I was just remarking on the Rams who have lots of talent and now their management is all screwed up. The Raiders who were performing better this year than previous years, in my opinion, despite their record. And now their Head Coach is gone and that is going to affect them. The Lions well, because... actually it's already been discussed and Lions fans can hopefully breath a sigh of relief and look for things to improve. And Bengals fans who have to been dumbfounded. They amount of talent on both sides to the ball, but in particular the offensive side and an 0-4 record. Ouch! it begs the questions, WTF? What happened?

Al Davis has been/is ruining the Raiders :-\

I suppose. A lot of retired Raiders players are saying otherwise though. Regardless, the raiders have looked absolutely helpless the past two seasons. They should have a better record but were simply outplayed.

If you want to talk about disappointing. The frickin' Chargers are sorry this year, and apparently I'm the only one who can see it. Everyone on ESPN and Sportcenter seems to be ignoring the fact that they both of their trench lines (O-Line and D-Line) are horrible and need work. And the defense can't tackle for anything. Half the time watching the Chargers is like watching a high school football team.

I'll cut their O-line a little slack because I believe two or three of them are new and you really need cohesion on the O-line, plus the Chargers are breaking in their new Fullback. Hence LT not having that great of a season plus he has an injury. I like Sproles and they should play him until LT is good to go. See if he can handle being an every down back.

What happened with the Bengals? Bad chemistry, bad personalities, half the team arrested in one off season (ok that might be a bit of an exaggeration), some key injuries, and lack of a running game when they decided to get rid of Rudi Johnson who is now in Detroit. Carson Palmer is a good quarterback with a great work ethic, but if the rest of the team isn't gelling he can't do much.

They need to cut "Ocho Cinco" and get a real player in his place. The man wants to be T.O. too badly, and isn't performing.

I don't see T.O. as being all that great anyways. As for Ocho Cinco, since that is official last name now, he just can't wear it on his jersey for merchandising reasons, they have other wide receivers, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Chris Henry being the most prominent. The problem with Henry is his constant off field legal issues and is often suspended due to it. He just came back from suspension. Too many of these guys are prima donnas, are in it for the money and rarely think about the team.

That's exactly the problem Cal. A lot of the T.O. type players are prima donnas. They are exceptional and even great players, but the reason we don't like them is because of their large egos and their it's got to be my way or the high way attitude. Talk about ego.

Good point bringing up Houshmandzadeh, because I've been hearing speculation that he may be scooped up by Dallas after this season ends. He's been performing well, the contract's coming to a close, and seems like he'd be a good fit for the 'boys.

I completely agree with you both that some of these stars are there for a payday, as opposed to competing for the love of the sport.

That's the issue, too many teams go for talent but don't take into consideration the attitude of the player. The Bengals have seemed to do this at every position except quarterback. Carson Palmer is willing to think of the whole team and really wants to do the best he can. Marvin Lewis has been quoted as saying he would rather have someone with talent and not such a good attitude, since its hard to coach someone with less talent but a good attitude and that you can try to changed an attitude. I just scratched my head at that one. Give me someone with the good attitude and a little less talent, you can work with them to get them better because they are willing and have some talent to start with.

Then Marvin Lewis is a dumb@$$. It is way easier to coach someone how may not have the talent at the forefront than someone like T.O. or Chad 85. Simply because they want to learn and they will more than likely do what it takes to succeed. I've seen egotistical players tear teams apart, i.e. T.O. and the Eagles and from my own experience.

Case and point, myself. I was never the stronger, taller, or faster football player, but I loved the sport and wanted to excel at it. I did, however, have a knack for for learning and being technically sound. My coaches taught me well and I excelled a lot. At first I thought it was because I wasn't physically adept enough to play or at least that is what my coaches thought, but I only just recently found out that I never got much playing time my senior year of high school because I hurt too many people when I played. I mean I wasn't trying to but it happened. Football's a collision sport, it comes with the territory. I guess I learned too well.

That aside, I will always root for teams that are exactly as their title describes them, a team. I hate it when teams are described as, for example as T.O. and the Cowboys. Why can't it just be the Cowboys? It makes it sound like T.O. is the main reason why the Cowboys are succeeding (there may be some truth to that but for the sake of arugement). Hence, why I never root for the Yankees or the Red Soxs when it comes to baseball.

Lastly, as for Houshmandzdeh going to the Cowboy's. If he goes, lucky Cowboys. He is a very solid receiver and in my opinion way better than Chad Johnson. He'll probably kick some @$$ in Dallas. Him, Romo, T.O., Witten , and Glenn would probably be a force to be reckoned with, (as long as T.O. doesn't screw it up).