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#67315 - 09/24/08 07:44 PM Sanding with a super fine grit.
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Has anyone used anything that is a finer grit than 4000 Abralon pad?

2000 abralon grit is around 10 micron
4000 abralon grit is around 5 or 6 micron

I got some pads called micro-mesh that are listed labeled 8000 and 12000 mesh
the 8000 is 3 micron and the 120000 is around 1 micron or a little lower
I also got some 0.5 micron aluminum oxide material that they use for shining up diamonds and other gems..

My thinking was that if 4000 makes the ball go longer and snap harder then a finer grit would get the ball to go longer and snap even harder on the back..
I tried this on my black widow pearl.. thought it might turn it into a Venom like reaction..
Anyway .. I took it all the way from 4000 abralon to the .5 micron aluminum-oxide.

The ball had a mirror like deep shine to it when I was done.
On the lane.. I got the length but no snap. I may have been throwing the ball too fast and I am also pretty sure there wasn't any fresh dry so that might be the problem. I am going to try it at a different house on Thursday that has a cleaner backend..
I am pretty sure that the 0.5 micron material doesn't have any added waxes or anything that would kill the reaction.. The material may be too small that it clogged the pores of the ball. Or it might need super fresh clean dry to react off of...If it doesn't react I am going to clean it and give it a bath to see if that might do something..

Maybe the ball is just too smooth..It looks like plastic but is really tacky.
Anybody have any thoughts or things to try

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#67316 - 09/24/08 07:54 PM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: J_w73]
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I just think there isn't enough of a surface for the ball to be able to react. As with polishing, at some point you loose backend because the ball surface is too smooth. Probably going past 4000 is too much and past 8000 is probably even too much.
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#67323 - 09/24/08 08:47 PM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: infernocal]
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I have to agree with Cal. Probally taking it anything beyond 4000 will make it skid way too far down the lane and wont be able to react.
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#67326 - 09/24/08 08:57 PM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: Brandon510]
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When the ball comes off your hand, it has a certain amount of energy. That energy gets used up by friction between the lane and the ball. Smoother surfaces will use up less energy in the oil and therefore have more energy on the back end. That's why they react harder. The thing is though, they still have to be able to generate friction on th back end.

You've made it so there's very little friction, even without oil.

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#67346 - 09/25/08 12:26 AM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: Lefty]
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That's not a bad idea for something to do to a ball on the driest lane conditions you can think of. Although, like cal said 8000 is probably the highest grit you'd ever want if that.
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#67349 - 09/25/08 12:35 AM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: Amateur]
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J w73 said:

"My thinking was that if 4000 makes the ball go longer and snap harder then a finer grit would get the ball to go longer and snap even harder on the back.."

"On the lane.. I got the length but no snap."

OK, you tried and found out the result. So, when will you bring it back to OOB?
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#67356 - 09/25/08 02:18 AM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
J w73 said:

"My thinking was that if 4000 makes the ball go longer and snap harder then a finer grit would get the ball to go longer and snap even harder on the back.."

"On the lane.. I got the length but no snap."

OK, you tried and found out the result. So, when will you bring it back to OOB?


gonna check it out tomorrow on a house that has real lane conditions(not spotty, stripped, clean backends and decent dry outside) and see what happens.. After that I am going to clean it really well and give it a bath to see if that changes anything.. like I said.. maybe the finer particle has clogged the pores..
If I don't see what I like.. then I'll go back to the 4000 abralon.. or maybe down to 2000 cause that is what alot of people recommend with that ball.. If it doesn't hook like I want with the super fine finish atleast I know what I need to do to kill the hook and backend on my other ball..

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#67357 - 09/25/08 02:20 AM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: Lefty]
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Originally Posted By: Lefty
When the ball comes off your hand, it has a certain amount of energy. That energy gets used up by friction between the lane and the ball. Smoother surfaces will use up less energy in the oil and therefore have more energy on the back end. That's why they react harder. The thing is though, they still have to be able to generate friction on th back end.

You've made it so there's very little friction, even without oil.


I think you are right but I am going to check it out on some fresh dry backends tomorrow.. the ball feels super tacky though.. even more that normal.. it isn't super slick to the touch at all..

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#67387 - 09/25/08 10:38 AM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: J_w73]
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I think that the 12000 would be good for a spare ball. That is about it though.
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#67388 - 09/25/08 10:51 AM Re: Sanding with a super fine grit. [Re: General Pounder]
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Quote:
J w73 said:

"My thinking was that if 4000 makes the ball go longer and snap harder then a finer grit would get the ball to go longer and snap even harder on the back.."


Its true, but remember you only have 60' of lane.

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