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#65528 - 09/03/08 06:53 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: cgeorg]
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I don't see myself ever owning a Mac either.

Edit: Or an iPhone.


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#65532 - 09/03/08 07:47 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: Lefty]
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Regardless on whether you see yourself owning a Mac (or and iPhone), I was just curious as to if anyone knew about, could make, or knew if a program for the iphone was in development. It seems like whenever I make a post people jump all over me and a battle starts.

Well we share a common hobby in bowling, but we agree to disagree on which computing device(s) are superior. No worries. Thats why this is a bowling forum and not a computing forum right?
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#65534 - 09/03/08 07:55 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: howiegroove]
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The problem is that programming for a proprietary device such as the iphone just isn't cost effective. Yes there are a lot of bowlers out there, however a very small percentage of bowlers are serious bowlers. And an even smaller percentage of those bowlers actually Track their stats. And an even smaller percentage of those bowlers actually own an iphone. So to rewrite a program specifically for the iphone just is not cost effective. 100 man hours to write the program... 1800 bucks to buy a mac... and what maybe a 100 people actually buy the program for 15 bucks a piece.. Just not cost effective in my opinion.
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#65535 - 09/03/08 08:08 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: Brian Pickell]
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Good argument...Finally. However, if there was someone out there that had a Mac, that knew how to program, it might be worthwhile to write a program for the iPhone. I wouldnt ask someone to buy a Mac just to write a program for an Apple device.
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#65537 - 09/03/08 08:25 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: howiegroove]
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I agree with the others. I don't really think there's much you could do with a proprietary iPhone app that couldn't be done much easier with a web app. The web is really the perfect development platform for this kind of thing, because it can do the job, and it is easily compatible with all sorts of phones/computers/systems.

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#65545 - 09/03/08 09:20 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: bryfree]
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humm. interesting to see that people wouldn't ever own a mac or iphone or iPod if they've never owned one. i on the other hand do have a mac and iPod but no iphone. they dont have the iphone on the verizon network or i would own one. i would own anything that Apple makes because it works. i have had other pcs and other players but they would do nothing but crash and not work and i have found that Apple does what they say it will do. which is work. sorry.

i can program on my mac and its easier to do it on than on anything else but i dont have time to do it. i do animation stuff and programs. i have friends that do this kind of stuff for a living and i can see what they say about it. just makes for interesting conversation.
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#65547 - 09/03/08 09:30 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: 180fury]
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I never said I wouldn't own any of the stuff. I have 2 macs and 3 iPods, but I would never own an iphone unless they open it up to other service providers. ATT are rip off artists. It's nothing against Apple, just ATT.

I'm also not a Mac fanboy as I also own 3 PC's, 3 Windows laptops, 2 Linux Boxes and 2 Windows servers.
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#65548 - 09/03/08 09:40 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: 180fury]
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Originally Posted By: 180fury
humm. interesting to see that people wouldn't ever own a mac or iphone or iPod if they've never owned one. i on the other hand do have a mac and iPod but no iphone. they dont have the iphone on the verizon network or i would own one. i would own anything that Apple makes because it works. i have had other pcs and other players but they would do nothing but crash and not work and i have found that Apple does what they say it will do. which is work. sorry.

i can program on my mac and its easier to do it on than on anything else but i dont have time to do it. i do animation stuff and programs. i have friends that do this kind of stuff for a living and i can see what they say about it. just makes for interesting conversation.


So someone says that they don't see themselves owning this hardware (therefore they can't develop the requested software) and you have lecture us on how great everything Apple makes is? If Apple does one thing well, it's to create their army of loyalists.

I have an iPod, have supported and used Mac's and have no desire to have a touch screen phone with a proprietary OS that forces you to get an outrageously expensive plan. I also don't see myself getting the Samsung Instinct that is a touch screen phone with a propritary OS that forces you to get an outrageous plan. I also don't plan to get any other phone that meets that description.

I also don't see myself ever owning a Mac from my experience working with and supporting them and the added cost associated with them.

I do however like my iPod.

Regardless, my comment had nothing to do with the merits of owning any of the aforementioned devices. It was simply stating that I would also not be able to develop anything for the iPhone because I don't own the required hardware and software to develop it.

Apple is not a religion. It's just a company. Sometimes people don't buy Apple products. It's OK.

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#65559 - 09/03/08 11:05 PM Re: Bowling Program [Re: Lefty]
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hey fury, i dont know how hard it would be to write code for the iPhone, but Scott Forrestal made it look pretty easy. See if there is anything you can do. I am curious to find out.

BTW, this became some BS argument about who likes PC and who likes Mac. Its a preference. I prefer Mac, and others prefer PC. Why argue. Please don't argue also about the fact that you might be upset that you are pissed that AT&T is ripping people off for the iPhone plans. Have you seen how much Blackberry plans are lately? Besides, its a smart move on apples part to go with AT&T. T-Mobile is too small of a company here in the US to carry a device with alot less customers. If they ended going with Verizon, they would have to make either a world phone or two separate chipsets in the phone itself. Overseas it would have to handle a GSM signal and in the US with Verizon it would have to be able to handle CDMA. In my opinion, it was a smart move. People hate on people that make good calculated moves in the business world.
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#65562 - 09/04/08 12:00 AM Re: Bowling Program [Re: howiegroove]
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Why argue. Please don't argue also about the fact that you might be upset that you are pissed that AT&T is ripping people off for the iPhone plans.


Uhm, didn't I say:
Quote:

Regardless, my comment had nothing to do with the merits of owning any of the aforementioned devices. It was simply stating that I would also not be able to develop anything for the iPhone because I don't own the required hardware and software to develop it.


Quote:

People hate on people that make good calculated moves in the business world.


Can you please show me where I "hated" on AT&T for anything???? What in the world is going on here? I say I don't see myself buying an iPhone or a Mac and I'm accused of making that decision without any basis and then lectured on how great Apple is. Then when I explain my reasoning, I'm accused on hating on AT&T?

Honestly, this feels like bizaro world. brickwall help
Lesson learned: Do not say anything that could potentially be interpreted as negative about an Apple product if you're not willing to pay the consequences.

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