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#63068 - 08/03/08 10:35 PM
PBA a circus?
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Registered: 07/01/06
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A/S/L: Male/Ann Arbor, MI
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I'll be honest and say I still read forums on the PBA website. They have appointed a new moderator on the forums and he has calmed the crazy tone it had since I've joined. My question is has anyone else been hearing of some new happenings the tour is bringing for their 50th season, which are: "4. THE PBA WILL HOLD SOME BUSH LEAGUE TOURNAMENTS THIS YEAR AS FOLLOWS: 1. A ALL PLASTIC BALL TOURNAMENT SPONSORED BY Ebonite. USING Ebonite BOWLING BALLS 2. VARIOUS PATTERNS WILL BE USED NOT JUST THE 5 WE HAVE NOW 3. A TOURNAMENT THAT WILL USE A DIFFERENT PATTERN ON EACH LANE ACROSS THE HOUSE--- I understand there is going to be a new pattern as well. 4. They are adding an additional pattern this year (which will be used twice) and a few "combo" tournaments. One day qualifying will be on one pattern, the next it will be on a different pattern. For the TV finals, the right lane will have one of the patterns used in qualifying and the left lane will have the other. I think it will be a good test of versatility. There are also plans for an elimination match-play tournament and a house shot tournament. Again, it's all in the spirit of educating the public on how house/league bowling is different from being a PBA tour exempt player." this was from the forums and it appears to be legit. What do you all think?
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#63076 - 08/04/08 12:10 AM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: GunsTariq]
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Registered: 12/11/05
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Let's face it. Since synthetic lanes came into existence, it has been the objective of ball manufacturers to make balls to increase scores. And, it has been the objective of the USBC to create more difficult conditions. One way was to change oil patterns to a Sport compliant condition. And, the ball manufacturers are winning the fight.
I have said it before, that even if we mere mortals bowled on an of the PBA patterns for any length of time, we would become proficient on them. That is what the pros get, a steady diet of the same pattern for the entire week of the tournament. So, I can easily see that the pros are able to conquer the patterns more easily then we.
Now, if the patterns are going to change, or be juggled in tournaments, it is an admission that the USBC cannot present a condition that really makes bowling a highly competitive Sport. There are infinite combinations of patterns, so why should they try to beat the ball Cos.
Seems that the easiest method to win the fight would be to eliminate all oil, which would immediately obsolete the majority of balls on the market, and send the ball Cos. scurrying.
Let's get back to heavy shellac to level the playing field and not make the lanes play like they want us to strike. Bring back the challenge.
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#63084 - 08/04/08 02:14 AM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: Dennis Michael]
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High Roller Hopeful
Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 311
A/S/L: 28/M/Richmond Hill, Ontario, C...
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Well, I agreed that newer balls are making it easier to strike but the problem is of course is that these balls are market toward the average joe that doesn't care about bowling skills or anything.
Whatever look cool and hooky to the pocket is what they appreciate with no effort or skill involved.
The only thing that any bowling association could do to re-invent the game is just limited the numbers of balls that are legal for sanction league play or force bowling centers to lay out more challenging patterns for any league to sanction but the problem again is.
You won't be finding a bowling association representative at every single house to monitor the action of bowlers using the correct equipment or anything. Plus, most average joe are uneducated about having some fundamental or respect or saving the sport from being a joke by purchasing more high tech balls that are killing the lanes and the game.
Its basically a toss up of old school versus new school. Myself, I can be consider new school to the game but I find the old school of bowling more fun and challenging then what I am being forced to play with even so none of the older balls from the past would work well on today oil condition unless you have a drier patterns that would be suitable for those balls. Also, adding that nobody want to go back to the old days of bowling because those ball didn't hook like today tech balls.
Just a thought.
Edited by djRIPz (08/04/08 02:15 AM)
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#63087 - 08/04/08 02:48 AM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: djRIPz]
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Registered: 02/13/01
Posts: 4066
A/S/L: 42/F/California
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You won't be finding a bowling association representative at every single house to monitor the action of bowlers using the correct equipment or anything. You can't do this because the local association work force is 100% voluntary. And of those that are willing to volunteer you have a small percentage that are of the higher skill level, even less that have profficiency at the Pro Shop issues. And then you would have to put a quantifier as to the ability of those representatives to do the job properly. For example illegal balls with illegal static weights. How are you going to qualify the person to make that judgement call? And is that person going to be a local representative or not? Will they do this for free? Is this person avialable to go from house to house with their scales and other equipment to make sure all these weights are in compliance. Its just not going to happen. Lets face it, when you are asking for volunteer efforts, you don't measure it by skill level but rather by dedication and enthusiasm and willingness to give time and effort into the local association activities. Now if we were to have more volunteers that would work with the local associations we could do more things like this. Our current allowable "work force" as local directors is still short. We have a shortage of man power to services the bowlers in our local association. So if you think that you would benefit from more local assoc participation then I urge you and your friends to join the local association on a more dedicated committment as a local director. In our local association we have less then 20 directors and officers to service 12 centers and 10,000 bowlers. Our local association area is about 50 mile radius. You can do the math that it doesn't amount to much personal service especially to the outlaying centers. Which we have to pull teeth to get participation at and through with their bowlers. Though they no longer wanted to be a stand alone association and begged to be merged with the bigger local association we have no effort from those outlaying centers to help service the bowlers. Currently we are holding winter Secretary's Workshops. Nearly every weekend day (most people's day off including our volunteer directors) are taken up with attending these workshops. With the idea in mind that we can inform the secretarys of upcoming rule changes and proper protecole that will assist their paperwork and thus service their bowlers. We had two this weekend and one this Monday eve. Then next weekend, two more. ......... If you think that the local association needs to do more, I challenge everyone to step up and become a local director or at the minimum a local volunteer to assist in the day to day efforts that need to be met to make your local association and sanctioning run smoothly. Oh and by the way, USBC now wants all local directors to have a background check for domestic violence and child abuse. So when you volunteer you might also be asked to pay for the background check, which is not optional for local directors. Still wondering why you have limited presence of local association? Erin
Edited by Atochabsh (08/04/08 02:50 AM)
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#63089 - 08/04/08 05:40 AM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: Atochabsh]
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Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 733
A/S/L: 36/M/Poconos PA
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From what I gather they have something ridiculous like 45 mins of warm up to break the lanes down during PBA telecasts. Any shot you lay out can be tuned to your shot. 10 minutes practice if that and go. I'd like to see them shoot on a THS, that would show the difference to the casual bowler where they rank in the bowling food chain. Plastic ball tourney? It beats the skills competition and any new tourneys and $ they can pour into the sport so be it.
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#63104 - 08/04/08 10:03 AM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: CoachJim]
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Registered: 05/23/08
Posts: 399
A/S/L: 36/M/Independence, KS
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The cranker in me is salivating at the thought of an all plastic tourney.  BRING IT!!!!!!!!!
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#63120 - 08/04/08 03:15 PM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: desertdog71]
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Registered: 05/05/08
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I think that some of these international patterns or somethings like that should be brought in. Or perhaps start to make bowling like golf where it's more of an international sport. Like traveling around and it tests you on different patterns. You don't play the lanes or patterns like you always do instead you end up playing so that ypu learn to play to get strikes anyway you can.
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#63122 - 08/04/08 03:33 PM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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Registered: 03/28/06
Posts: 1266
A/S/L: 33/M/Tinley Park, IL
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I think that some of these international patterns or somethings like that should be brought in. Or perhaps start to make bowling like golf where it's more of an international sport. Like traveling around and it tests you on different patterns. You don't play the lanes or patterns like you always do instead you end up playing so that ypu learn to play to get strikes anyway you can. Looks like some of the guys from the PBA already started doing that. Storm staffer Pete Weber won two matches en route to his first career European Bowling Tour title in the 30th Trofeu Internacional Ciutat de Barcelona at Bowling Pedralbes in Barcelona, Spain, July 22-27. The PBA Hall of Famer, who had back-to-back 300 games in qualifying topped No. 3 seeded Nicole Sanders, Netherlands, 236-211 in the semifinal and went on to defeat No. 1 seeded Paul Moor 214-211 in the championship match. Weber qualified second behind fellow PBA star Sean Rash to make the top 48 before eventually making the top 24 cut, Weber in 7th and Sean in 12th. The field then bowled four more games of qualifying to determine the top three for T.V. Weber qualified second behind Moor and ahead of Sanders. PETE'S JOURNAL “Well, it's not often that I get to participate on the European Tour, but my experience was a pleasurable one,” Weber said. “One thing I learned is not to under-estimate the European bowlers. They are better bowlers than we seem to give them credit for. I was thoroughly impressed with the way they performed. It was a great honor to add my fourth country to my titles list. I look forward to returning and bowling more tournaments in Europe.” "Whether it was San Marino or Barcelona, I used three different Dimensions, said Weber. "First, in San Marino, I used two different ones. The first day when I arrived in San Marino, I bowled with a pin up, extra hole 6" from middle of span, which is my favorite layout, and bowled 1575 for 6 games of qualifying." "I noticed during the qualifying rounds the lanes becoming more tighter. I then asked Peter Somoff to drill a new Dimension with the pin in the middle of span and the extra hole down 1/4" from axis point. First squad of match play I shot 258 and 279. Next match I barely made it through by 5 pins. Then I lost in the round of four to Thomas Gross, who was also using a Dimension or Rapid Fire." "All in all, the Dimension is one of the best balls I have ever used. It is very easy to see the ball roll/react down the lane with the layouts I used giving me the reactions I want to see. I saw a lot of the foreigners using the Dimension or some sort of Storm equipment." "Now onto Barcelona. My first squad I didn't bowl so well. I used a pin up Dimension. Each pair was reacting differently. I couldn't quite read the ball going down the lane. Second squad, I used pin down, just under my fingers, with extra hole 6" from middle of span. First game 164. Then I decided to change hand positions because I knew there was a way to get this ball to react. All of sudden I'm reading the ball down lane. After 4 games I was 200 over with back-to-back 300s. After the six game block I was 220 over." "On Sunday, more qualifying games. First 4 games, 855, qualified 7th. The next four games I had 935, qualified 2nd for the t.v. show. Only two practices balls on t.v. then the games starts. I moved right to play between the first and second arrows and threw the Dimension as hard as I could keeping the ball in play. It just proves that you can make the Dimension hit going straight or hooking the lane. And then on to a VICTORY!" "I had a wonderful experience with our Staff and Mr. and Mrs. Chrisman and everyone involved with the European Bowlers Tour. It was a honor and a pleasure to represent Storm." Weber earned 12.000 Euro or approximately $18,850 for first place and moved up into a 16th place tie in the 2008 European Bowling Tour (EBT) rankings.
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#63135 - 08/04/08 05:38 PM
Re: PBA a circus?
[Re: General Pounder]
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High Roller Hopeful
Registered: 07/16/08
Posts: 313
A/S/L: 15/male/Tennessee
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speaking of the skills challenge, the trick shots they usually do arent that good, atleast the ones i have saw, i mean i know i cant do them but still i wish they could come up with better ones, but when u say an all plastic ball tournament ur saying that during that tourn. they can only use plastic balls right?
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