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#63724 - 08/10/08 01:55 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: Dennis Michael]
jsigone Offline
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I'm sorry to say but if you're hitting 140-150s alot then your spare game is off no matter how well you can get into the pocket. You're leaving 3-5 opens a game. PBA pattern will show that even more if you have any type of flare/hook on your spare ball. Sure you can play up the middle but you're not challenging the pattern nor working the proper angles for flush pocket hits. The middle is very inconsistant from shot to shot which is why you're leaving different spares that you're sruggling with.

Most leagues start up in less then a month, I'd take that time and practice as much as you possibly can. Try playing different lines to the pocket with the different balls you have including your plastic for last resort. This will help you when they change the pattern and oil breaking in. See how you ball react when you play outside lines and deeper in the corner if you ahve the revs to bring it back.

If you really want to play the PBA, get your spare game in form. Get your body mechanics in check. All shots need to be very consistant or [censored] close. Watch your ball from the time it hits the lane to when it hits the padding in the back.
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#63747 - 08/10/08 06:47 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: jsigone]
Brian Pickell Offline
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My spare shooting has gotten a lot better over the last couple weeks. I've been doing a lot of practicing lately, and I would guess that I'm probably picking up about 60% more of my spares than I was before. The last couple weeks I've been averaging right at about 190-200. Mostly spares with 2 or 3 strikes per game, leaving 1 maybe 2 open frames. Although I must say that if I leave the tenth frame open I can't break 170, which I did today, because I was experimenting with my line again.

On a brighter note, I am going to get a chance to bowl on a sport shot tomorrow. The house a normally bowl at is laying down the shots tomorrow night to give everyone considering the league a chance to play them first.
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#63750 - 08/10/08 07:01 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: Dennis Michael]
Brian Pickell Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Brian, set your main goal. Are you going to be a house bowler , couple of times a week. Or, are you going to bowl in tournaments and more difficult conditions?

House bowling is more forgiving and many people, probably the vast majority, are very satisfied with that as their level. Others, look for the additional challenge that lane conditions can provide.

In my few years of PBA experience, I find a strange phenomena taking place. Higher average bowlers have a negative impact when first faced with this. It is now an accepted fact that your average will drop 15-20 pins. And, that is for reason.

However, as I have seen, there is lesser impact on those who average, lets say, under 175. My assessment of this is a first ball syndrome. It is much more difficult to strike on PBA conditions, and that's what the higher average bowlers need to maintain their average. Other bowlers don't rely on strikes, but can make their share of spares. PBA conditions won't hurt that bowler as much.

If your revs are lower than 300, your speed is controlled, you work with a turn of 6 boards or less, and can roll straight at spares, a PBA pattern won't affect you as much.

What it does is let you develop and improve under the toughest conditions as others are developing on a House shot. Bottom line, you will ultimately have more success. It may take a short while longer, but it will happen, especially with training.


When I first started bowling in leagues a couple months ago the plan was to just bowl the house shots, but after watching the kids just throw the ball out on the lane and get strike after strike without any effort at all I quickly changed my mind. I'm sitting here pouring my soul into my game and struggling and here they are blindly throwing the ball onto the lane and watching the boomerang come back and nail the pocket for a strike time after time. I decided that maybe if I tried out the sport shot and tried to work on my game on that, there would be less chance of the kids throwing a ball behind their back for a strike.

Bottom line is that I truly want to get better. I don't want to just figure out how to throw the ball out on the lane and have it come back for a strike. I want the satisfaction to know that I got a strike because of skill and not because of a forgiving house shot that has a groove in it right to the pocket.


Edited by Brian Pickell (08/10/08 07:05 PM)
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#63753 - 08/10/08 07:08 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: Brian Pickell]
jman369 Offline
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I've only been bowling for 2 fall seasons, & I just finished my first PBAX league. I booked a 186 avg last fall and since no one on my team wanted to bowl I went into the PBAX. It was a learning experience to say the least. As you said that you do better when oil is out there, I am the same way my best avgs were on the shark and our league also had the world championship pattern for 2 weeks. The rest of the time it was kind of a struggle. How many balls do you bring to the house I had 2 + spare ball, by time league was over I had 3 and probably needed to get rid of 1 then add 1 more. It is not a matter of how well you bowl in my opinion, imho it's about ball choice first the surface management second the how you bowl third. I saw guys bringing 6 balls and they were still lost also. Next summer I'll take my money and get lessons every other week like Coachjim said I should do when I asked about joining this summer league. however I'll let you know if it helps me on a THS cuz fall season starts this Thursday & I've only bowled 6 games on THS this summer. I will say this...relax I know I tried to hard focusing on a singleboard for target, instead of a 3 board area downlane.
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#63758 - 08/10/08 10:17 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: jman369]
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I will say this.

I bowled in a Sport League for 6 weeks. I was surprised in myself how I didn't know how to bowl but I found it fun to work on different ways and so on.

If you love oil and a challenge then is probably the best challenge you'll face compare to a standard house shot that allowed you get away with errors. As told to me by some of the better players and a few world class bowlers that this is way you learn to bowl better on a house shot because you're not watching the lane, you are watching your ball on every roll. You're looking for the entry angle, watching the pins and getting the most reading. Also you will figured out that you threw a good ball or a bad ball.

In the end, you need to have some coaching on hitting your target to do well in this type of league but be prepared to expect nasty results until you can relax and improve with a positive attitude. If you get upset over a good shot and you got rob then you in a world of more of them to come. If you know you bowled well that night and the results isn't the score sheet or you know what to work on then you have something to achieve that will be rewarded later on.

Thats my advice and its your decision to you wish to join and don't let other on here tell you what you can or can not do.
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#63830 - 08/11/08 07:19 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: djRIPz]
Brian Pickell Offline
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Okay, I'm not feeling so intimidated now. Tonight's practice pattern that they laid down was the viper. Either it's one of the more easier patterns or I was just extremely lucky.

As I said before my average over the summer was 140. Tonight I bowled 6 games and didn't have a game under 160. I had four in a row at 175 1 at 161, and a 182.

Now I'm stoked.
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#63833 - 08/11/08 07:50 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: Brian Pickell]
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Don't be surprised if every pattern doesn't play similar, even to the house shot. It takes a lot to get the patterns to play like they are suppose to and most centers aren't going to go through the process.
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#63856 - 08/12/08 08:26 AM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: infernocal]
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Only 1 more week of PBA Patterns. I will say this. This year, I learned a lot more than I did before. I was reading the lanes much better, and making minor adjustments better. I had more trouble on the shorter patterns than the longer ones, which I found inconsistent with previous times. Best night was on Scorpion. Highest game was on Shark.

But, the important thing is that I am much more conscious of what I am doing with my backswing, and release. I can see the difference between a good shot and bad one. I don't need another ball. I need to fix me to be more consistent.

I was more aware of the need to be more accurate, this year. Just a board or two makes a huge difference in the result.

I feel that my release has improved. I am getting more revs. My spare shooting has also improved over the Summer. I was pleasantly surprised at that. Still not where I would like it. But, it is getting there.

Got reacquainted with my Conqueror on the heavier oil, and I really like that ball. It likes the oil too. My weaker balls performed better this year also, so it must be my release that has improved.

Ready to take another step this year in league. I am starting out better than I started last year, in body control, swing and release. Don't think I will lose the first half, as I did last year, lowering my average.


Edited by Dennis Michael (08/12/08 08:28 AM)
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#63860 - 08/12/08 08:56 AM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: Brian Pickell]
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Originally Posted By: Brian Pickell

Okay, I'm not feeling so intimidated now. Tonight's practice pattern that they laid down was the viper. Either it's one of the more easier patterns or I was just extremely lucky.

As I said before my average over the summer was 140. Tonight I bowled 6 games and didn't have a game under 160. I had four in a row at 175 1 at 161, and a 182.

Now I'm stoked.


That's a mental bragging plaque for you. A quadruplicate of 175. Good bowling and keep it up!
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#63897 - 08/12/08 03:05 PM Re: Considering PBA Experience and have a question [Re: GunsTariq]
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pba experience is something i wish i could find around here. something else to learn would be a good thing. i learn by doing and i like to try things. it seems it would be a great thing to do.
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