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#62788 - 07/31/08 01:46 AM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: Lefty]
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I actually think that if you miss by that far, you SHOULD NOT be rewarded with a strike. Therefore some system should be in effect to give minimal score for Brooklyn Strikes.

I really don't think you should be able to miss by THAT FAR (especially on a house shot) and be rewarded.

I carry a Brooklyn strike maybe twice a month. I just don't miss by that far. I can't stand being beat (with handicap) those that spray far and wide and get rewarded. Its not a matter of carrying good. This is missing by so far that you are rewarded from the opposite direction.

Carrying good is clearing out 10 pins and 4 pins and collapsing a couple buckets. Carring good IS NOT going Brooklyn.


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#62793 - 07/31/08 07:50 AM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: Atochabsh]
Brian Pickell Offline
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Originally Posted By: Atochabsh
I actually think that if you miss by that far, you SHOULD NOT be rewarded with a strike. Therefore some system should be in effect to give minimal score for Brooklyn Strikes.

I really don't think you should be able to miss by THAT FAR (especially on a house shot) and be rewarded.

I carry a Brooklyn strike maybe twice a month. I just don't miss by that far. I can't stand being beat (with handicap) those that spray far and wide and get rewarded. Its not a matter of carrying good. This is missing by so far that you are rewarded from the opposite direction.

Carrying good is clearing out 10 pins and 4 pins and collapsing a couple buckets. Carring good IS NOT going Brooklyn.


Erin


Not everyone is a professional bowler that can hit the pocket every time. A lot of people are recreational bowlers and only bowl in leagues for fun. They don't expect to win, they just want to go out and have fun. So not everyone can roll a ball exactly the same way every time. So yes there are a lot of brooklyn strikes out there. Unfortunately the game isn't scored on how well your ball is rolled it's scored on how many pins you knock down.

Just last night someone on the other team we were bowling with, went way wide and hit the six pin (not any where near a pocket) There was so much pin activity that it resulted in a strike. I am still in awe over that one. How is that even possible?
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#62796 - 07/31/08 08:09 AM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: Brian Pickell]
Dennis Michael Offline
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Originally Posted By: Brian Pickell
Originally Posted By: Atochabsh

I really don't think you should be able to miss by THAT FAR (especially on a house shot) and be rewarded.
Erin


Not everyone is a professional bowler that can hit the pocket every time. A lot of people are recreational bowlers and only bowl in leagues for fun.


I guess I have to look at this through the eyes of the writers. Some of us will be repulsed by the Brooklyn. Others will be glad they got it.

Last night, we bowled a weaker team and gave away 150 pins in cap for a 3 bowler team. That was tough to make up. But, I had trouble in one game with spares. Now, according to the stats, I rolled 45 first balls in 4 games, and got a strike on 25. All pocket hits. But, in that 1 game, I opened 3 straight frames, missing a 7, a 9 and a 10. While my opponent struck twice on Brooklyn's.

I recognized the expertise difference between us. I didn't chastise him for his strikes, I was more upset with my opens. I point to that stretch of frames because we lost that game by 30 pins; my 3 opens and his Double.

Just the way the game goes.
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#62821 - 07/31/08 12:01 PM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I merely commenting on how it sometimes bugs me that I'mtrying to adjust and adjust through frames and keep hitting Brooklyn and it carries, and then finaliy you find your way to the pocket and it's single pin spare after single pin spare.
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#62824 - 07/31/08 12:26 PM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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Erin

Normally I am lucky if I get one Brooklyn a night. I do miss and cross over more than that but I usually pay by leaving the 5 or the 5-9. This was just a weird reaction. Many times I thought it was headed straight at the head pin and then it would hook at the last minute and smash into the Brooklyn pocket. I was pulling the ball when I went Brooklyn mainly because I knew out by the 3 board it was not going to come back and I was coming off the corner.

I was a little miffed that the other teams anchor did not even acknowledge or say anything about my 234 as I thought it was kind of showing a lack of respect but now at least I understand his thinking even if it is his actions are something I would not do. This league is full of recreational bowlers who like Brian said cannot roll the ball the same every time. Many a night a lower average bowler has a game 40 + over average with lots of strikes a lot luckier than the ones I was getting but I still give them high-fives and congratulate them. To me it is just a part of good sportsmanship. That being said I now understand if someone feels strongly enough about it that they do not want to reward someone for missing that is their decision and I will respect it.
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#62825 - 07/31/08 12:35 PM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: Scott Gannon]
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My quick dip into this thread. It's fine to be glad that you got a break, but don't expect anyone else to like it. And frankly, I don't think anyone has a responsibility to high-five or congratulate anyone on a shot/score, no matter what the circumstances. Sometimes I will say "nice shot" if someone pures one, but I tend to be thinking more about my game. I don't look at the scoreboard, and I don't watch you bowl really, so I don't know what you shot. I'll check the scorer at the end of my game to write down my score/check that it matches what I have in BowlSK, and that's it. If I notice a nice score, I might say something. But, I might not. Likewise, I wouldn't be offended at all if I had a great game, or a number of great shots, and no one said anything.
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#62826 - 07/31/08 12:45 PM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: cgeorg]
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Dennis,

I think along the same lines you do. If someone is getting hot, whether it be Brooklyns, high hits, or lucky strikes I need to step up my game and if I do not I get more upset with myself than the opposing player. There are so many variables in this game, how you do, how your teammates do, what the other team does that you never can tell who will come out on top. I can bowl a 200 and we lose and a 140 and we win. Go figure.
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#62827 - 07/31/08 12:55 PM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: cgeorg]
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Most of the time I'm more concerned about my own game as well. The only time I really watch is when friends of mine are in the same league and we're playing against or near them (a lot of my bolwing friends at higher averaged and much more experinced bowlers than I am). So it pays to watch for little things to try or possibly emulate (in practice of course). Plus it's interesting to watch a good game especially when a perfect game on the Viper is ruined by a 7,10 in the tenth frame. That just sucks. Also watching a perfect game is extremely fun to watch because you're waiting to see if that one lucky shot that shouldn't have carried comes up. Aside from that I'm usually focused on my game.
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#62828 - 07/31/08 01:28 PM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: cgeorg]
Scott Gannon Offline
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Originally Posted By: cgeorg
My quick dip into this thread. It's fine to be glad that you got a break, but don't expect anyone else to like it. And frankly, I don't think anyone has a responsibility to high-five or congratulate anyone on a shot/score, no matter what the circumstances. Sometimes I will say "nice shot" if someone pures one, but I tend to be thinking more about my game. I don't look at the scoreboard, and I don't watch you bowl really, so I don't know what you shot. I'll check the scorer at the end of my game to write down my score/check that it matches what I have in BowlSK, and that's it. If I notice a nice score, I might say something. But, I might not. Likewise, I wouldn't be offended at all if I had a great game, or a number of great shots, and no one said anything.


I now understand your point of view and actually a lot of what you do I should consider because it could be a lot of my focus problems. Sometimes so much is going on with 3 conversations and paying too much attention to the scores and what other people are doing I might do better if I could shut all that out and focus solely on my game. I am thankful for all the opinions here because it has helped me understand that if someone is indifferent during bowling it could be they are focusing on their own game and there is no need to take it personal. I also hope that maybe by giving a different opinion of how certain bowlers are perceived a lot of you might understand how some people might not understand your point of view and take it the wrong way.
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#62837 - 07/31/08 03:31 PM Re: Brooklyn Strikes [Re: Scott Gannon]
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I will also sometimes aim for the brooklyn pocket, just because the spares it does leave are easier for me to pick up. I can pick up a five pin a whole lot easier than a 7 or 10 pin (those things are my nemesis) Plus it seams to have a higher percentage of strikes, at least for me it does. So maybe when you see some people picking up all of those Brooklyn strikes they aren't being rewarded for missing their target. Maybe they are actually trying to hit Brooklyn.

IDK just a thought smile
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