Im just learning how to throw a ball with curve and i keep either putting top spin on the ball accidentally which obviously doesnt help curve OR i either have the right idea of my hand doing the handshake but i ALWAYS let go early... I need help

Probably need to start with how your ball fits, and go from there.

My release is a mess also, but I am not a fan of the handshake example but rather picture yourself scooping a glass of water and keeping your wrist straight in the process. You DO NOT have to turn the ball to get it to hook. The revs are a product of your thumb exiting the ball first and then the fingers giving it rotation.

A proper release is similar to tossing a football underhanded.

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip20.htm

Thanks for the link. I often have the feeling that my thumb doesn’t escape the ball in time, or sometimes not at all.

One thing that might help is to not really think to much about hooking the ball. I recently took up throwing hook and at the begining i was constantly thinking about how to hook the ball which lead to spinners because it was hard to picture how to put the rotation on the ball. I was picturing my hand putting the spin on the ball, which it didn't. Hooking the ball is not too much different the straight bowling when you first start out. The finger tip drilling and your hand position is what causes the hook. Get you hand in to position and picture it locked in place and then keep it locked in that position thru your swing and focus on throwing it straight and low and behold to your amazement it will hook. And as you get better you'll beable to play with the position of your hand to add or reduce the hook and it will be a whole new game. Also dont force the ball because putting a little power in to it isn't what hooks the ball either

As for your early release it sounds like your thumb ins't fitting quiet right and is a little big (or pitched wrong) you should probably invest in some bowling tape to snug it up a little bit but if it doesn't or it is snug right now as it is take your ball back to the driller and have him adjust it for you.

or it could be that your ball may be too hearvy for you. Any finger pain?

I would suggest that you visualize your release as it's happening. Think about the specific point at which you are letting the ball go it helps me. And as or after the thumb comes out, turn hand and forearm so that it resembles a handshake. DD does have the right visual to consider though, scooping up some water. Although I believe in a previous thread he added another part about throwing the water over your shoulder. This part is to help you visualize your follow through I believe.

Me personally, I don't turn my hand at all, and it has a very deep hook to it. I start out with my hand on the side of the ball with my thumb pointing at about the 10 o'clock position. I will keep my hand in that same position all the way back and continued through my follow through. No flippy wrist thing that you tend to see everyone doing for some reason. Why does everyone do that flippy wrist thing? I get plenty of revs and hook on the ball without it.

The wrist flippy thing as you so aply call it, i guess allows for more versatility and adjustment. Plus I think a lot more people have trouble coming out of the side of the ball than from underneath. On the flip side, there is a greater potential for things to go wrong. Your release is kind of an old school style or a release for older players who can't use the wrist flippy thing, at least that's what I've been told. I haven't tried it with my Cell or BW Solid, I wonder what would happen.

One other thing, it should be called wrist rotating thing if anything, because wrist flipping implies that the hand should come all the way over the top of the ball and that is a BIG mistake.

So if my release is old school is that a bad thing? If so should I be looking for a new coach? Because when I started with him I was doing the whole "wrist rotating thing" and he quickly told me not to do that. That is when he taught me the release I described above and I find it to help with my accuracy quite a bit.