Thanks guys, I will definitely try to let gravity be my force. That said, I will most likely need to have faster feet, which is what I'm trying to accomplish anyways. Like you said cgeorg that is not my normal walking pace. I tried speeding it up a bit in that video but I think due to the controlled swing I keep it slow. I agree once I get the free swing down I will have solved a majority of my problems.

DemoMan that makes some sense to get some speed on the ball but that seems like an awful lot to push the ball up. I will practice something similar but it most likely won't be that much. I'm more comfortable raising it like 2 inches and maybe pushing out more.

cgeorg, you said was was staying behind the ball more and getting less tilt. How would I get more tilt? I'm trying to lower my Track if possible because as it stands I can't throw a Rico Layout on anything I throw. I Track about 1" from my thumb and just a hair less from my fingers. I'm trying to [censored] my wrist but it turns out I'm just behind the ball.

Got some more video. On a physical level a few of these felt great to me, others not as good. I realize this probably isn't a lot of improvement but I feel a bit more free in the armswing with some of them. I'm having a really hard time making it *look* like a free armswing on video. And I think the spine tilt is about as good as it's going to get(I already feel pretty straight), I just need to keep it consistent. And I think once the armswing gets less forced I will stop popping up after releasing the ball. Thoughts?



If it doesn't work yet it's just processing and should be working shortly.

You still look like you're trying to ease the ball into the down swing instead of just letting the ball and your arm fall. This isn't something that you're going to gradually get. Once you get it, you'll get it. Once you let you arm go completely limp and just let the ball fall like it fell off of a table, you'll understand what we're talking about.

I get what you're saying. I just don't understand why I'm unable to do it ;(. I really am trying. I think that's really the only thing that's hurting me. Anything else that's wrong in my game right now is caused by that one issue. Agree or disagree?

It feels and looks to me that I get the ball started slightly sooner and my feet are a little better. I like it.

If I had to hazard a guess as to why you're having a hard time, it's that you're trying to still execute what you think is a good shot. My advice is to get up there and forget about everything else. Completely relax your right arm, push away with your left, then let the ball go and expect that it's going to plummet to the floor. For a few shots at least, forget about everything else. Don't worry about hitting your mark... just think about letting the ball swing on it's own and don't care if the ball goes in the gutter.

Amature, you are following the ball down with your upper body this is cutting your swing off and forcing you to swing the ball with your upper body instead of letting it swing from your shoulder.

Try letting the ball drop into the swing and not bend your upper body until after the ball passes your right leg on the back swing.

Lefty, that's probably it, or at least part of the reason. In warm ups for league today I started out doing just what you said and I noticed a bit of a difference. For the most part I think I let the ball swing on its own but some shots I pulled through. I took video too to see if I was doing it right. Most of my shots are the same as before but I've uploaded a video of what I thought my best shots were.

CoachJim, I'm aware that the bending I'm doing most of the time is no good. However, I thought some spine tilt was okay but I didn't know that *when* you tilt was very important. It's kinda hard to picture bending only after the ball has passed my right leg. But I'm more curious what you mean by it cuts my swing off to bend the way I am and how it would be better to bend after the bottom of the backswing. It seems that most of the pros just have a little lean forward during there approach but they stay in that position while I get way down there. I idolize Tony Reyes' approach a lot and would love to have something very similar to it.



I don't know about anyone else, but to me these shots look a bit more free in the swing than the other videos.

You should push it up because fromt he video that i just saw, I guess the newest one you have. If you look at it from the side, you don't push the ball straight out on the pushaway. You actually push the ball down. Your arm gets straight on the backswing and not before in the pushaway (probably why you are having troubel with a free armswing). This could and probably is the cause of the accessive spinal tilt that you are talking about as well as why you are muscling the ball. From the start of your entire approach is geared towards the floor and not out on the lanes or your target in front of you. You probably have trouble with the free armswing because you don't realize you're muscling the ball from the start. You don't let a chance for gravity to take over and allow the weight to transfer onto the shoulder, you force it right from the beginning.

If I'm wrong and completely off base someone else can correct me, but I'm saying what it is I saw and the possible

Lefty's right (sorry for that). I think Aristotle said, "If you wish to improve then think yourself foolish and stupid." If not saying your stupid or foolish, you just need to stop trying to force an old method and something new together. Most times they backfire and do not work well together.

You actually might be right DemoMan. I disagree that I'm pushing down, but you make a good point that I don't really give gravity a chance to do much. I used to do a full extension of my arm in my pushaway, but I stopped because I felt really weird in my footwork and didn't have good balance. I'm thinking about giving it another try though, because I've improved my timing and mechanics altogether since I stopped. What do you think?