That looks much better.. and I wouldn't go back to pushing the ball all the way out in front of you. I'd bet your tilting would get worse, not better. Your push away looks similar to what's called the sliding hinge and I don't think there's a real issue with it.

Thanks Lefty. I thought it looked a little better, but not that much. In terms of feel I don't think I can get it much better than that, but maybe I'm wrong. I'll keep working at it. As for my pushaway it's definitely a possibility pushing it further out is going to make my spine tilt worse, but I think it's a way to free up my arm swing. Not bending so much will take a bit of work, I'm even kinda practicing my approach here at home to get a feel for it.

DO NOT EXTEND THE BALL OUT IN FRONT OF YOU! If you do so, your feet will get fast trying to catch up with the ball. Name me one pro that launches the ball out in front of themselves and chases after it?

If you want to bowl like Tony Reyes, then set up in the position you want to be in and maintain that position all the way through the shot to the foul line like he does. To me you would be better off bowling like you instead of like Tony Reyes.

What I mean by cutting the swing off, is if you bend as the ball goes down, your back swing will not make it to shoulder high, unless you pull it back, but if you wait on the down swing then bend you will not have to pull the back swing back and it will not be blocked off by your shoulder muscles. You need to let the ball swing from your shoulder first, then add the spine tilt, or add the spine tilt before you start your approach and just maintain it the whole way and let the ball swing from your shoulder without helping it back.

I know this one....

I know a pro that exstends his arm before the backswing, Rhino Page.

But I can see what you mean Coach about it cutting off your swing. I guess I've been doing something that isn't really the norm. All the pros that I've watched with the exception of Page, all have a similar pushaway and backswing to what Amateur has.

I just learned to get the swing arm fully exstended and let gravity take control. I guess this would explain why my feet feel and are a bit faster.

My question is how are you going to practice the over/under technique with this sliding hinge, I guess it is called? If the over/under technique is the best way to practice a free swing (the best way I know) how would you accomadate it with the sliding hinge?

Well, there are a few that extend their arm, but the point is that they don't chase the ball. Amateur is chasing after the ball instead of letting it swing from his shoulder. You can see the ball is actually pulling him forward at the end of the pushaway. Whether you extend your arm fully or not, the ball shouldn't be pulling you off balance. So either the ball is too heavy for him, or there is too much force being put forward in the pushaway.

Here is a good article to help:
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_push_btm_apr_2007.pdf

Here is a video that may help also:
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/videos/Bowling_Knowledge_free_swing_drill.wmv

As CoachJim said, extending all the way will cause you more problems. The ball will essentually pull you over more than you're already tilting forward and then your feet will get fast because you're leaning. If you extend all the way out, you'll have to use a lot of upper body strength to counter act it and that's probably not something else you want to have to add to your game have have to maintain. The less things you have to worry about, the easer it is.

Well I guess I'll have to work on changing that. And I found the cause of my fast feet I guess. Practice time, then.

In that video my feet felt faster than normal but when watching the video, they really aren't much faster. I don't think I'm chasing the ball, but as Coach said that's what you would be doing if you extend your arm in front of you. When I used to extend my arm, I didn't really notice the chasing, but my feet were off entirely anyways.

I will see if that drill DD posted helps me too.

Coach, I couldn't bowl like Tony Reyes if I tried a million times. I would just like to have the same fundamentals as him. Like you said he gets in a position in the stance, which seems to have him tilted slightly forward, and he stays in that position through the whole approach. That's what I would like to do. When I'm in my stance(althought it shows my right shoulder is lower than my left), I feel quite upright which makes my sudden tilt seem drastic. Perhaps a little tilt to start with and focusing on staying in that position will help with that.

Amateur - go to the 10 second point of your last video and look at how you're set up. Are you standing straight up or are you tilted? You look pretty tilted to me. You then let your upper body fall forward so that your chest is almost completely parallel with the floor. You're not just tiling a little. You're bent completely over.