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#61428 - 07/13/08 05:55 PM My Latest Video
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Sorry if it's a bad angle. My dad was the one taping, it was league, and I didn't think of having him get right behind me or on the other side.

Anyways, I'd like your opinions on these issues the most: Timing, Balance Arm, Trail Leg, Balance at the Line, Arm Swing. I'm aware there's issues with most if not all of these so lay it on me. Anything else you can see would be nice too.
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#61472 - 07/14/08 09:19 AM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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You have a nice approach with a good tempo and nice swing as far as I could see from this video. Different angles might help. You fell off balance on the second shot, but it looks like that is not the norm since you didn't fall off balance the first or last shot. I think all you need to do is practice.

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#61496 - 07/14/08 12:13 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: CoachJim]
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I would have to agree with Jim. It looks much better than your previous approaches you've posted here. You still might be muscling it a little, I can't tell because of the angle. It cuts off the beginning part of your swing. And as for the ten pin leaves, try moving a half board to the right to carry it.
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#61500 - 07/14/08 01:12 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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I would either use a different ball or a different line that what you're playing. The ball was flat coming in to the pocket and I wouldn't be surprised if you got tapped a lot. You're going to want the ball to finish behind the 5 pin when it falls off the back of the pin deck. If you look where your ball is finishing, it's behind the 9 pin.

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#61534 - 07/15/08 12:15 AM Re: My Latest Video [Re: CoachJim]
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I was actually muscling it quite a bit. And I'm surprised you guys didn't point out my spine tilt and my foot steps. The tilt is too much in my opinion, and my second and third steps are out of sync with the others. Fortunately, I feel like I addressed these issues as well as my armswing in practice today and it feels much better. My timing felt right and I was able to keep my balance most of the time, with what felt like a better finishing position as well.

As for the line I was playing, those shots were all misses to the right except the last shot. I shot 215 and 258 with that ball. 178 with a different ball that I was using the first game. I switched to this ball because of over/under on the other ball. Anyways, by saying the ball finished in the 9 position are you implying that the ball deflected too much?


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#61556 - 07/15/08 07:30 AM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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Yes on those shots that you showed, the ball deflected to much.

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#61581 - 07/15/08 01:20 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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I said this previously, but the computer that I was working on kept acting up, but it went a little something like this:

Honestly, in the first part of the approach it looks like the you are letting the ball swing you some. I have nothing against a shoulder tilt or drop, but it looks like if the ball were a little heavier it would pull you to the ground. I would suggest a lighter ball (last restort), a free armswing, learn how to hold the weight of the ball in your left and some practice with the over-under technique.

The backswing is muscled because your body is trying to compensate for the fact that the ball is pulling you down some. It's like you're a football punter trying to drop the ball and then your arm takes over because there is almost no way gravity can help you out anymore (If that makes any sense, it sounded good in my head). And because you're muscling and controlling the backswing it's throwing of your footwork and timing which isn't allowing you to comfortably balance and causing you to fall off balance.

As for the spine tilt it is a combination of letting the ball pull you down and you muscling it. To correct the spinal tilt you could also try to walk with your back straight and bend at the knees. Kind of like the old escalator behind the couch gag.

I think you should also try to speed up your approach a little as well as stay up on it. You look like you are sinking too low and that could be throwing off your armswing or your release point.

Take these suggestions with a grain of salt. Evertime I see something on the computer from youtube, it looks slower than it probably is. I've been told that countless times.


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#61592 - 07/15/08 06:01 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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All I can see. Thats you're pulling up at the finish of your shot. You should stay down and follow thru. Thats muscling. Just relax as you swing thru. That should solve the issue.
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#61595 - 07/15/08 06:45 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: djRIPz]
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Thanks for the comments guys. To be honest, I was having quite an off physical game that day. Anyways, I practiced yesterday and did a little more video taping. The one thing I didn't fix from watching the videos is the excessive spine tilt. I feel like I freed up my armswing considerably, and I also sped up my approach. Then after I stopped video taping, I was told by my friend and driller that I was bending more at the knees and less at the waist, which is what I was going for. As a result I felt better leverage. I might be a little off still because I'm not still not that accurate, but that just may be a lack of lining up correctly.

I bowl league tonight so maybe I can get some video in and upload another.
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#61603 - 07/15/08 08:48 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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Sounds like you're on the right Track. Good luck tonight, and we'll be awaiting the video update.
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