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#61609 - 07/16/08 12:24 AM Re: My Latest Video [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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I didn't get the chance to video it since the battery died lol. Unfortunately I was a little too worried about score it execute the way on wanted on a regular basis. I still feel like my spine tilt is too much, but it definitely does not feel as bad as in the video I posted. My leverage was still good for the most part and I think I had good knee bend.

There's still something that's making my accuracy fail too much, as I remember missing at least 6 makeable spares(8 if you count baby splits and washouts). It's not just on spares, but I try not to hook it on spares which could be causing slight uncomfortability on them. Maybe inaccuracy on strike balls is actually the opposite and what I'm doing is turning too much instead of letting it roll off my hand(as you can see in the video that might be what's causing me to follow through in front of my face and do a circular motion). However it seems just having the ball roll off your hand would kill versatility as it doesn't seem to let you vary your release.
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#61633 - 07/16/08 12:32 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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Being effected by the score happens. It's really tough to try something new when the game is on the line and you're paying to play. It's extremely hard to ignore the score when you are trying to fix things or try new things.

As for the accuracy issue with the spares it could be two things. The first is that you aren't comfortable throwing a hooking ball straight (I'm assuming). Also do you use a different finger position when you throw them straight? As for turning the ball too much you could try to change the finger position you have to get less reaction out of the ball. Or what might be even better would be to try to tuck the thumb that was in your ball behind your ear on that side. You don't have to do that exactly, but it can help you visualize what needs to be done so that you don't over-rotate the ball.
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#61635 - 07/16/08 12:50 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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Originally Posted By: Amateur
However it seems just having the ball roll off your hand would kill versatility as it doesn't seem to let you vary your release.

You set up variations in release by changing your hand position - the ball still rolls off your hand, but your hand is in a different position, which causes the ball to roll differently. Changing index and ring finger positions, the amount of cup and cocking of the hand, and the amount of rotation around the ball all affect how it rolls off your hand.

Originally Posted By: TheDemolitionMan
Or what might be even better would be to try to tuck the thumb that was in your ball behind your ear on that side.

This will cause you to hit up on the ball. You want to finish with the hand out on front of you, not up by your ear.
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#61656 - 07/16/08 06:58 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: cgeorg]
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I throw plastic at my spares. But I don't like throwing it like I normally would because I don't want it to hook. I try to put pretty much no rotation on it but I'm still getting like 15 degree axis rotation which isn't much but it must be something I'm doing. That's beside the point though, my point is maybe I'm just uncomfortable that way. My finger position on my spares(and most of the time on my strikes) is with my pinky and index fingers both spread out.

As for over-turning, I was referring to my strike shots. What I was saying was that maybe I'm subconciously trying to put revs or rotation(to get it down the lane) on the ball that it's messing up my accuracy. cgeorg you said you want your follow through out in front of you(and off to the side, not in front of your face). I'll tell you, some of my best shots in terms of feel have come from this type of position. I hardly ever get it though because as you can see in the video my arm goes in front of my face first.
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#61658 - 07/16/08 08:34 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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Here's another video from a couple days ago. Let me know if there's anything better or worse.

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#61668 - 07/16/08 09:54 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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I would again suggest practicing the over/under technique. There is an imaginery bar in front of you 5-6 inches above where the ball is. You have to push the ball over it. That's the first part. The second part cones when you release it, and it looks like you have this part down pretty good. Regardless, there is a bar 11-12 inches of the floor and you have to release the ball underneath it.

Next think of gravity as the engine with which to power the ball and your hand(and your arm) are passengers along for the ride who don't get to do anything until the release.

I would keep working on sinking at the knees to correct the spinal tilt. And don't let the ball pull you down or that is at least what it looks like. Because at the line it looks like you have to stand up to get the ball out on the lane and that could account for some of your inconsistantcy.



Edited by TheDemolitionMan (07/16/08 09:55 PM)
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#61670 - 07/16/08 10:17 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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5-6 inches is an exaggeration. I'm thinking more like 2-3 inches, since you're only supposed to do a tiny circular motion with the push away. Lifting the ball 5 inches in the push away I may as well start the ball at shoulder height and drop it in the swing. That is, unles you actually meant to push *out* 5 inches. I could understand that a bit better.

I will continue to work on less spine tilt. I'm already bending about as much with the knees as physically possible without straining myself to do it. I will also work on controlling the armswing less and just let it flow. Same with my feet.
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#61690 - 07/17/08 08:19 AM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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You're still controlling the fall of the ball after the pushaway. Put the entire weight of the ball into your left hand and use that to push the ball away. Remove your left hand and let the ball fall. Do not use any of the muscles in your right arm to slow the fall of the ball down. Just let the ball fall and swing.

When you start out controlling the ball like this, you really can't turn it off and stop muscling it later in the swing.

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#61693 - 07/17/08 09:12 AM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Lefty]
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Armswing is still controlled. A bit much tilt, and you're really creeping to the line. I think you have to control the armswing to slow it down to match your steps. Is that the speed you walk down the street? I doubt it. Practice the pushaway lefty described somewhere away from the lanes - just push the ball out with the left hand, and let it fall. You will get a little more stability if you do this in a finish position, or with your right foot just in front of your left (starting position for 1 step drill).

Compliment sandwich, the release looks better. You seem to be staying behind it more, and getting less tilt. You are also playing a better part of the lane, and your swing path looks more in line to me.

Other piece of bread, you are hitting up on it a bit. Once you get the free swing down, the extra speed will pull the ball off your hand, giving you the revs you get now from hitting up, so go ahead and get rid of the hit now.
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#61718 - 07/17/08 02:06 PM Re: My Latest Video [Re: Amateur]
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No 4-6 inches above the ball's starting position and you have to push the ball over it. It gets the arm straight disengaes the arm muscles and allows gravity to be the power behind the ball. And you're supposed to use the non swing arm and hand to shoulder the weight of the ball and push it over the bar.

Correct the spinal tilt with your legs as much as is comfortable and then rest go.

Personally, I think a free armseing will correct a lot of your problems, like muscling the ball and the spinal tilt.


Edited by TheDemolitionMan (07/17/08 02:10 PM)
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