Here are a couple pictures to show you exactly what is going on, with my hand at and prior to release. I don't rotate my hand at the release from this position. The thumb releases and the fingers give the ball the rotation. Now I used to pull through the release and "Hit up" but I have minimized/eliminated that.





Now if there is something I need to do with my hand position, that is another story but I am certainly behind the ball, and my elbow is pointed down the lane. Only and I repeat Only when I try to hit the ball like in the past does my elbow every turn out.

The pictures from the video are just too blurry for you to see what exactly is going on with my hand, so you cannot judge strictly on the position of my wrist without clearly seeing the finger position.

Now if you are saying I need to wait for this position and stay behind the ball and then rotate at the last second, how is that DECREASING rev rate? Because I was turning the ball before and was told to stop doing it, now I am being told to turn it.

Here's an example of Rash. Look where his arm is compared to yours. You can see the ball on the right side of his arm and with your shot, your arm is all the way to the right of the ball. I know there's a camera angle difference, but you can still tell that his arm is more behind it. Also, the ball is in front of his foot at this point.

Lefty, when DD said this in an earlier post, I realized he was using 2 different fingers than I. Mine are no where near 7 and 8 o'clock. But, as I look at his last photo, his fingers are where he says, but his wrist is already around the ball.

The Rash photo you posted clearly shows a flat, open palm that DD does not have.

DD I haven't read all of the back and forth since you posted these vids this morning, I will read through them and comment if I think I need to.

Here is what I see that you need to work on.

Your hand goes on the side of the ball just after the push away then wraps back to behind the ball at the top of the back swing then the springiness of that movement causes your hand to spring back around to the side of the ball on most of your shots.

I would like you to work on dropping the ball into the swing with your hand turning behind the ball just after the push away, so your hand is behind the ball before it crosses your right hip on the back swing. This should take some of the springiness out of the release and allow your hand to stay behind the ball longer. Remember you don't need to turn the ball at all, the angle the ball sits in your hand will turn your hand not the hand turn the ball. This will be hard to learn after doing it that way for years.

Dennis you hit the nail on the head, his fingers are where he says, but his wrist is already turned to the side of the ball.

He is losing direction by his wrist being around the ball so early, the ball wants to hook sooner than it should and be more of an arc instead of a nice sharp break to the pocket.

The other problem will be if he is able to keep his hand behind the ball his rev rate will explode and probably be up near Robert smith type level because of the angle his fingers are to his thumb.

Stay behind the ball, bend my knees, don't hit the ball, keep my head steady, don't muscle the swing, slow my feet down, re-drill my thumbholes for 1/2 inch forward pitch, fix my spans, and take two aspirins and check back tomorrow. Got it.