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#60945 - 07/06/08 05:45 PM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Well, most that I see are playing center arrow, +- a couple of boards. My Coach plays dead over the center, out to about 8. And, since he owns the local Pro Shop too, I am sure he has had some input into how others roll.

He had me standing and rolling inside at 17 out to 10 when I bought my Shift. He won't sell me a Cell, since he says it doesn't match my game.


Jeez, and you guys call me a strapper. I almost never play that deep.
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#60962 - 07/07/08 12:40 AM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: desertdog71]
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It's not terribly difficult to be playing that deep on a fluff shot... so long as you have an aggressive ball. But as far as the original topic goes, the gamebreaker or The One are both very successful Ebonite balls, probably the most successful in their lineup at the moment. As well as the edition of the new Playmaker, which I will be picking up eventually. For medium heavy oil, either the Gamebreaker or The One would be good choices, and well priced as well. The Cell is a good choice as well since the ball can be very versatile in it's drillings. Whatever ya choose should be fine, since you're still just gettin' back into the game and you just need something to fill in the large gap. The time will come when you want like 20 balls for no real reason, haha. Because I'm totally not like that...
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#60968 - 07/07/08 01:21 AM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: Satyuros]
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The Gamebreaker is pretty good. I'd also like to recommend the Secret Agent, The Break, and Awesome Revs to add to your consideration pool as well.
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#60970 - 07/07/08 02:13 AM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: Amateur]
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how is the secret agent? i've read some good things about it.
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#60972 - 07/07/08 03:52 AM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: 180fury]
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From what I've picked up about it, it can get down the lane(with enough oil of course) with a pronounced move off the breakpoint(not like a snap though). The coverstock is a particle/solid Hybrid as well as well as the second strongest cover in Storm's current line(R2S). Also, it seems to be a pretty versatile piece and takes surface adjustments pretty well. I'd say it's one of their best as of late, along with the Gravity Shift and Dimension.
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#60978 - 07/07/08 08:58 AM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: Amateur]
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Agent, Special agent, and Secret agent all seem to be pretty similar, especially when you look at their website's picture of the ball's Track down the lane to the pins. Can anyone compare these
3 balls ? Obviously there are differences like coverstock and finish, but similarities like weight block and flare potential,
but I don't understand what the differences will do to the ball when on oily conditions ?

btw: I like that the curve of these balls is down the lane over the second arrow, without a huge curve at the end; seems to me
to be able to control the ball easier than the big bender style
balls.

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Edited by Ray (07/07/08 09:00 AM)
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#60981 - 07/07/08 10:17 AM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: Ray]
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Dennis, I'd be interested to see the drillings they use. I would also be surprised if they could get in much deeper than that, although I suppose the proper drilling and surface treatment might make it playable. Then again, why would you do that when you can get a ball that is made to play inside?

What I have found with my heavy balls (Big One, Infinite One, Cell) is that they will roll out and hit very weak if I try to get in much further than 3rd arrow. The Big One can handle getting a little deeper, but it's the weakest of the 3. Whereas my weaker equipment like the VP2 in the past, and the Avalanche now, I can get in as deep as I need and always get recovery (assuming the lanes are in a condition to be played that deep).
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#60982 - 07/07/08 10:21 AM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: Ray]
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Comments from a ball review board:

Special Agent: In heavy oil either crank it hard, slow it down, or put it away.

Secret Agent: dont hook like it is supost to in heavy oil for me
works better as a mediam heavy ball

I find this common with Storm balls as i found this to be true of my ball: Hard to use on a variety of conditions. Very picky with oil patterns.

I don't crank or have a lot of hand for these balls to work for me.


Edited by Dennis Michael (07/07/08 10:22 AM)
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#61007 - 07/07/08 01:30 PM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: Dennis Michael]
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People each of the balls you have mentioned in the special agent secret agent andagent have a layout sheet in the box with a new ball these layout sheets show different layouts to bring the ball farther down the lane, hard on the back side, make the ball break early. Crank the ball use few revs, use high reves use slow speed, use fast speed. Your Pro Shop operaters have a tendacy to set the ball up the way he likes a ball now this ball should be drilled like this that ball should be drilled like that. People it depends on how you want the ball to go down the lane as to what pattern you drill the ball. Each ball is capable of all different sorts of reaction and it is according to the drill pattern used as to when the ball beaks and how far you reach out when you release a ball.
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#61012 - 07/07/08 02:23 PM Re: Which ball for med-heavy oil? [Re: KingBlueBadger]
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I wonder if anyone, other than the Pro Shop guy, sees these layout sheets that you refer to.

On the Storm website, for example, they show a picture with the
Track to the pocket that each ball travels. Are these tracks
accurate in any way? Or is it just to show you how one balls
tracks/curves in relation to other balls ?
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