That's what bowling is about. It's not about what you score but how you score compared to everyone else who's bowling. Again, if someone isn't going in with that mentality then they're better off not bowling. You can't compare yourself to someone who didn't bowl on the same lanes you did.





If they are not sanctioning sport, they are not a PBAX league and it has nothing to do with the PBAX program the USBC is doing. If the center is misleading bowlers then that's wrong of the center, not the USBC.

I don't think they should have sanctioned "tough shot" leagues because now you have an entire league that has book averages below their ability on a house shot, which is where all the book averages come from.

We work really hard to discourage sandbagging and here's a type of league that nearly promotes it.

Erin

This is true unless everyone bowls on tough shot leagues.

Most of the summer PBAX leagues aren't sanctioned though.

My summer sport league isn't sanctioned. I am doing it for practice. It is helping me with my spare game and my mental game. Adjustments come differently on a sport pattern than a house pattern. I think that it is fun to try to learn how to move on different patterns.

Mine's unsanctioned, though it the manager claims to have the lane downloads from USBC, and so far they seem to play in the part of the lane that they "should".

I really fail to see why any lane would promote a PBA shot and not put it dowm.

Erin, you bring up a very valid point. A PBA league, will cause lower then normal averages. If it is not sanctioned, it is recorded the same as another house league. This could be used as the basis for tournaments. Now that's not fair.

If the league was sanctioned, the rule book provides an adjustment table from Sport average to House equivalent.

Ours are obviously sanctioned leagues. Hence, the PBA honor score awards.

I have mentioned this before in the chat room. There is a guy who was the leader for Singles, Doubles, and All Events in the Classified division at the USBCs. There is all sorts of controversy on this guy. They started calling him Bowler K.

Summer is one thing. But many tournaments will take a summer league average if there is not previous book average.

I think if the manager or league officers know its a "tough shot" and do not bother to go the whole way and sanction PBA/Sport, then the league should be UNsanctioned.

You know you are not going to get the entire bowling community to book averages on "tough shots". We have enough ruthless people in this association that would bowl this kind of league, not for the experience, but to get that lower average.

Erin

[quote=cgeorg]Do you bowl on each pattern a set amount of time before moving on? Do you know what you're bowling on before hand?

Yes we know before hand what shot we will be bowling on. We bowl on each pattern for 2 weeks. The only instruction we get is the hand out you can get off of Bowl.com. I realize I won't be bowling on the Pro Tour any time soon, but I don't consider myself a house bowler either. I have bowled in our Associations City Tournament the past 3 years and enjoy the tournament setting so I would really like to start bowling in tournaments and thought this would help. I guess I should just stick to practicing on my own and finding a good coach.

I joined to Bowl on actual PBA patterns, laid down properly. NOT to beat anybody in the league because I simply don't care how I fare against them.

As for the sandbagging, I would LOVE to take my PBAX average and go ahead and adjust it up, and I would be getting HUGE amounts of handicap. My average is not 10-20 pins lower, its 60-70 pins lower. So I guess I just suck that bad and 3 decades of 200 plus averages are meaningless.

You can spin it anyway you want to. I signed up for PBAX, not reverse block league. So if I wanna be angry about it, that is my right. Its not about the competition, because if I take you in the back parking lot and beat you bowling on pavement, it doesn't mean a [censored] thing.