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#59330 - 06/15/08 12:46 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: desertdog71]
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I open my shoulders by bringing the balance arm a bit more forward and down. And also tilt a bit.

But after watching more of my vid I think I may pull it up a bit from shoulder though.

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#59331 - 06/15/08 12:51 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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I would suggest not pulling the ball up in the backswing. Like DD said, the only way to get it that high from starting at your waist or even lower us muscling it up there. A completely free armswing is like a playground swing. If you were to hold it 6 feet off the ground with the chain/rope taut and just release it to swing on its own it won't go much higher if at all than 6 feet at the height of its first forward swing.

As for your forward swing, you might be letting it begin to let it fall from that hang, but then you let your arm take back over to try to control the swing and where the ball goes. You could actually be holding the ball up there yourself. Now if the ball is swinging your arm(free armswing) there is nothing wrong with a second or so the ball being weightless at the top of the back swing, but only if its doing it by itself with no help from you. This happens because the ball has to stop briefly before it can change direction on its own with no help from you other than your shoulder being the pivot for the swing, and still not muscle should be used. I'm guilty of some of the same mistakes myself and need to work on it, so I know what its like.
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#59332 - 06/15/08 01:20 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: infernocal]
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My arm would twist right off my shoulder if I tried to get the ball that high in my backswing. laugh

I wish mine was a bit higher myself, but I feel more under control starting it below my waist and keeping it low.
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#59335 - 06/15/08 01:33 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: desertdog71]
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It's just all about opening your shoulders, and also turning you'r wrist out, while getting on the backswing. You can try it yourself right now, first trying to get the hand up there, keeping it straight, and then next turn your wrist out as the ball was on it, and then try again. It should be easier that way.

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#59340 - 06/15/08 01:58 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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If it's the video camera then nevermind the third part of my comment. If it's not, it just looked to me like you started, stopped for a friction of a second, and then started again, but that's just me. Then again it could be that I'm not used to seeing a backswing that high, seeing how where I bowl there aren't that many people who throw like that and I myself do not as well, so my advice giving might be a little off. I must say, you have so amazing shoulder flexibility though in both arms apparently if your right side is anything like your left.

I would suggest that you line your body and especially your throwing arm up with your target and walk striaght at it and let it fly. You probably already know this, but don't throw it too hard. That seems to be my issue when I throw my spare ball striaght. I throw it too hard and miss.

Anyways I hope this helps and cleared some things up.
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#59346 - 06/15/08 02:59 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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Yeah, that's one of my probs, not walking completely straight... and the swing isn't completely straight too, so I try to practise near the gutter, because if I drift I will end in the gutter and that's what I dont want. And I'm just trying to let the ball roll of my hand, rather than throwing.

And yes, sure it did.

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#59348 - 06/15/08 03:27 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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I watched the video and I see what you mean about you not walking straight. For the most part you seem to be able to compensate when you drift though, so I don't see much of a problem unless you want to get rid of the drifting altogether. Do you?

As for the letting the ball roll out of there hand, I would say try to relax your arm as much as possible and maybe lower your backswing a little. It looked like you were a tad uncomfortable, like you had to throttle back all that power from your high backswing. If you do decide to try the lower backswing I would say try it gradually.
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#59351 - 06/15/08 03:37 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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Yeah... I have to work on walking straighter, it's like that I tend to step over my right foot on the 2nd step, then I "turn" a bit with my left foot while going to the left with my 3rd step, then again still bit to the left on the 4th, and then slide to left too.. And I still drift usually 4-6 board to right from my starting point.

Atleast if I'm looking at things right, I have looked my place by placing the outer side of my left foot to the board that I want finish my slide onto, and then the ball should roll 3-4 boards to the left from that, because you can't roll the ball directly near your ankle because of the balls size.

And I'll see on the backswing tomorrow when I get to the lanes.

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#59362 - 06/15/08 09:34 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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It looks like you are over swinging the ball quite a bit which is causing your arm to loop in and out which causes the ball to go all over the place.


I agree with this statement. You're trying to steer the ball instead of letting it swing. The ball will swing all on it's own with the help of gravity. You trying to swing it is just going to make it inconsistent.

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#59380 - 06/16/08 04:08 AM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Lefty]
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I would have to agree with Coach Jim and Lefty. I didn't even notice your starting ball position. To get the ball that high you are muscling or pulling it up that high. So a higher starting ball position or a lower backswing would definately be beneficial at this point. It's what I was trying to say but I didn't 2 and 2 together. Oh well, I'm glad someone caught it.

Surprisingly enough I did like the one thing desertdog said about the feet trying to keep up with your arms. It takes me back to football when I needed that little burst of extra speed I'd have to pump my arms to make my legs move faster. Same principle except at a slower pace.
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