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#59277 - 06/14/08 04:34 PM Part of my practise today
Sam Virtuz Offline
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Lately I've been experimenting practising on either side of the lane, right near the gutter in order to get things straight. And been coming to conclusion, that shooting straight at 6 and 10 pins works better, than shooting at 4 and 7.

Also, every now then I might face small problems with the thumb hole either stucking a bit,(that's mostly on 4-6 first shots when I start the practise session)or the ball falling a bit too early.

And I think I might have to move a bit forward on the start of approach, maybe to the middle of the dots which are the most furthest away, and the ones which are after the very first set of dots. Just because I'm still away from the foul line too much when releasing the ball..

Now I'm using the most furthest dots, and that had worked fine when I was righty, but I don't know if it's now just about the timing/maybe getting the 3rd step longer and trying to get a longer slide(?)


Pointers/comments/advice are welcome and highly appreciated as always.

- And just as a side note, all of my balls are drilled for my left hand now.


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#59297 - 06/15/08 03:11 AM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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I know what you mean. I've thrown a straight ball at the 6,10, the 10, the 4,7, and the 7 and I find it much harder to hit the 4,7 and the singel 7 than the right side (mind you I'm a righty). I think it has something to do with the subconsious and the mental game as well as muscle memory. I think you have to relearn how to not try to walk across the lanes at the pins, if that makes any sense. I know that you don't in the video but do you know what I mean. It is easier ot walk straighter and throw straighter down the gutter on the throwing arm side becasue there is no real benefit for wlaking or throwing at an angle.

Me personally, I don't really like throwing along the gutter because there is less room, but that's me, to each their own.

Also by the looks of the video, there are a couple of times where your slide foot turns sideways. Also the bad balls that you threw look to me like you stopped and started in your approach. What I mean is that you reached a point in your approach stopped or paused and then went, "oh [censored] I need to keep going" and sped up. That type of speed change can hurt your game because timing is different every time. By the looks of it though you have it under control for the most part, I think it's really just adjusting to throwing as a lefty.

I hope this helps. I really don't throw a straight ball at my spares unless there is an extremely heavy volume of oil.


Edited by TheDemolitionMan (06/15/08 03:12 AM)
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#59312 - 06/15/08 09:16 AM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
Sam Virtuz Offline
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First of all, when I'm practising I'm going to use my spare ball all the time. Unless I'm trying to work on pocket hits/reading the lanes or something like that, but when I'm just working on my approach I see no point of using strike ball and therefore making it's age shorter. And IMO, I'd save the use of strike ball to competitions etc. And because I will be throwing my spare ball straight, it doesnt matter how much oil it has taken in, it will go always straight. So yeahh, thats off it.


I'm practising playing near the gutter, so that I'm able to practise on straighter approach. If I drift, I'm going to end up in the gutter. And I'm going to practise getting things straight until it's on my muscle memory, and by then I will attempt throwing at angles, and see if I can maintain the straighter approach.

And the video also got somehow a bit sped up in points, so it's faster than It's meant to be.

I don't quite get what you mean with the 3rd part of your comment.. Could you make it a bit more simplier, thanks? nut

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#59315 - 06/15/08 09:28 AM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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Sam, it looks like you are getting the ball closer to your ankle at the release, you still have no idea where the ball is going once it leaves your hand. It looks like you are over swinging the ball quite a bit which is causing your arm to loop in and out which causes the ball to go all over the place.

Since you are trying to learn to throw the ball straight, there is more to that than just rotation, you also need to have direction to the shot. Try playing straight up the one board and pick the 7 out of the rack, in order to do this you are going to have to learn to just let the ball swing your arm without forcing it. Start the ball at your target and just let it swing the arm like a dead arm without pulling or pushing it.

After you have been able to throw the ball straight up the boards consistently try to see how much turn you need to get the ball to hook to the pocket.

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#59317 - 06/15/08 09:46 AM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: CoachJim]
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Alright, thanks Jim.

Anything else to work on/pay attention to on the approach itself?

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#59322 - 06/15/08 11:55 AM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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You are starting your ball near your waist however your backswing ends up above your head. This is only accomplished by pulling it up there. There is also a pause at the top of your backswing which allows for the armswing to get off course. I would suggest a lower backswing that doesn't pause at the top so long. This will help you keep the ball moving along its intended path.

I think you would be a perfect candidate for a 1 step approach to work on the basic mechanics of your swing, and add the steps later. Remember ball speed is generated with your feet, and not the arm.

Try standing 1.5 steps before the foul line. Do your push away and let the ball swing freely. At the top of your backswing step into your slide and release the ball near your ankle with a nice follow through towards and through your target.

After you Master that the first 3 steps will actually come fairly easy for you. Its funny but your feet will naturally want to stay in rythym with your ball and armswing.
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#59324 - 06/15/08 12:25 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: desertdog71]
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Ball speed is generated by the feet and the arm swing. In a free armswing, starting the ball higher in the stance and allowing it to swing by itself through the backswing allows the ball to get higher at the top of the swing and generates more speed on the forward swing.

In either case Sam's swing isn't very loose but very controlled.
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#59325 - 06/15/08 12:34 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: desertdog71]
Sam Virtuz Offline
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Hmm... Could be.

One of the coaches(the one who bowled first 20 years with right and 5 year with lefty later on)had told me, that the ball actually should stay for a short period up on the swing without moving, and then it just drops to the downswing on it's own time. If I wanted the kind of swing, which reaches the peak of it and then almost immediately goes on the downsing, for that kind of swing I would need to muscle the ball to start the downswing before it's supposed to. So I'm just trying to let it drop down to the swing on it's own, and it feels that way more natural, atleast to me.

And I'm going to try on practising that 1-step approach and see how it works for me.

And first 3 steps? Don't you mean first 4? nut

Anyways, thanks for taking your time on looking at my approach and giving tips, DD.

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#59326 - 06/15/08 12:37 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: infernocal]
Sam Virtuz Offline
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Oh. So do you suggest trying on having the starting point of the ball maybe a bit higher than I have now?

I'm currently having it maybe a tad bit lower than my waist.

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#59328 - 06/15/08 12:39 PM Re: Part of my practise today [Re: Sam Virtuz]
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3-4 whatever works for you. I use a 4 step approach so that is why I said 3, My mistake.

My biggest point though was that its basic physics, when you start the ball in motion at waist level it will not go higher than that on the backswing without either forward tilt, or you pulling it back there. I don't think your tilt is enough to justify the height of the backswing. I may be wrong though, it seems I have been a lot lately.
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