Thats the new equipment for you desertdog, slicing through the heart. Which ball did you do it with?

desert, at least you left the 3 up, it's much harder without.

Lefty, you could get any leave with any shot. I threw a shot that came in a pinch high today, and left a 7-9, with the 10 being tripped out very late. For a while, those 3 were the only pins on the deck. Talk about odd... Anyways, if I am trying to help a user by getting the "Pocket" shot right as often as possible, I need some way to tell that based on pin count...

From the Glossary above: Area between 1-2 pins for a lefty and 1-3 pins for a right hander.

The pocket is an AREA. It has nothing to do with what the leave may be.
It is a target.

It was a Power Groove, not exactly aggressive. Oh well, I used to leave some pretty brutal stuff with plastic too.

Desertdog, I figured it was the Red Zone. I've left some brutal stuff with plastic but on completely bad shots.

As for basing a good pocket shot off of pin count or pins left thats near impossible without seeing the actual shot. I can leave a 4 pin going low, or with a shallow entry angle, or I can leave it running in high on the head pin or with a very steep entry angle. Most 7-10s are left when someone hits the pocket.

No I am saying a ball has hit the pocket if the ball hits the 1, 3 and 5, and I am saying that there is no such thing as a solid 6 pin for right handers unless the pins were off spot or some weird circumstance where the pin slid over back up or something of that nature. If you left a solid 6 pin in the pocket you were lucky his friends the 4,7 and 10 weren't standing there with him because the ball was flush on the head pin not in the pocket.

There's a way to leave the 6 pin completely untouched on a pocket hit, I've done it a few times too often and I've seen others do it too. A ball driving hard enough on a light hit will catch the 1 and 3 pins, but will also hook by the 6 pin, leaving it untouched because the 3 pin was not driven into the 6 pin, leaving the 6 pin as the only pin on the deck.

I do agree a bit with your square on the head pin comment, but then I wonder about hits that are too light that leave any of the clusters with the 2 pin if you are lucky or any fun splits involving the 2 and the 10. In that case, you hit the 3 pin square. Would you say that it hit too light in the pocket or not a pocket hit at all because the ball was flush on the 3 pin in the same way that the ball was flush on the head pin?

Mark

It might be that the only safe assumption is that if one of the pocket pins is still up, it's not a pocket hit. It might not be worth it to get more creative than that. Maybe leave the pocket hit box checked unless one of those is standing.

A pocket hit, is a pocket hit, if you hit the 1-3 or 1-2 respectively. You are trying to determine the quality of the hit by the pin leave. Unless you can calculate other variables as axis of rotation, entry angle, speed, revs and others, it can't be quantified just by the pin left up, or knocked down.

That was what the question was. Is a pocket hit when the ball touches any part of those pins, or is a pocket hit when the ball is more centered between those pins? You can leave the 2-4-7-10 and touch the 1-3. Is that really a pocket hit? If so, you'd also count that as not carrying a pocket hit. Is leaving a 2-4-7-10 bad carry?

There are implications to calling any ball that touches the pocket pins a pocket hit. I'm advocating for this one way or another, but it will skew stats that look at pocket hits.