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#57709 - 05/26/08 08:42 PM Re: Entry Angle [Re: untutored]
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Originally Posted By: untutored
Really? What do you do?

(I bowled on a lane with really short oil once. After enough gutter balls, I decided to switch over to a straight ball.)


Velocity and revs. Move in deep, project the ball down the lane, rev it up, and make sure its plastic. Of course this doesn't work if your ball rolls out the second it hits dry.
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#57710 - 05/26/08 08:44 PM Re: Entry Angle [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Just found something that was interest reading about this subject, www.dynothane.com/downloads/EventsImpactingScoring.ppt

It's a study that tries to quantitatively measure the impact of scoring based on changes made to lanes, lane surfaces and balls. The measurement is the ratio of honor scores to the number of registered bowlers.

The study started in the 1840 time frame through 1999.

Some Measureable impact dates and cause:
1914 - Brunswick announces an aggressive research plan to introduce a new ball every 9 years
1928 - flat bottom gutters were mandatory to prevent pins from coming back onto the lane.
1936 - first 3-finger ball introduced and used by Ned Day
1938 - lacquer formula developed.
1945 - lacquer lane dressing required. All scores dropped.
1956 - Smaller diameter pin base set at 2". Scores increased.
1963 - minimum pin weight raised to 3#2oz. Scores dropped.
1972 - dry outside boards under inspection, walled shot. Scores increased
1976 - Durometer reading of 72 for all balls after the Soaker Ball was banned.
1977 - Synthetic lanes introduced. Scores increased 15%
1978 - Water based lane finish developed. Scores increased 20%
1982 - Urethane balls introduced - Scores increased.
1987 - 24" minimum lane oil rule. Scores increased 16%
1990 - 2 piece balls introduced. Scores increased 11%
1991 - Lane dressing determined to be too short. Scores increased 13%
1991 - Reactive Resin balls introduced. Scores increased 35%
1993 - Terms, RG, Diff, COF and COR were introduced to control balls. Scores increased 21%
1995 - High viscosity oil developed
1998 - Particle ball introduced with high friction. Scores increased 54%

As you can see. The increase in scores has been since 1977, and mainly due to lane surface, lane dressing and ball manufacture.


THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!!!!

As I mentioned earlier, everything after 1988 is what I missed.


Edited by desertdog71 (05/26/08 08:46 PM)
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#57713 - 05/26/08 08:54 PM Re: Entry Angle [Re: desertdog71]
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Originally Posted By: desertdog71
Originally Posted By: untutored
Really? What do you do?

(I bowled on a lane with really short oil once. After enough gutter balls, I decided to switch over to a straight ball.)


Velocity and revs. Move in deep, project the ball down the lane, rev it up, and make sure its plastic. Of course this doesn't work if your ball rolls out the second it hits dry.

Makes sense.

Not enough velocity was my problem. smile
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#57734 - 05/27/08 08:14 AM Re: Entry Angle [Re: desertdog71]
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Scores increased 54% with particle balls, so if you were averaging 200 before you would be averaging 308 with a particle ball?

Is that why pretty much all ball manufacturers except for Lane Masters are not using particles in their coverstocks.

Particles were not that big of an advantage except on extremely heavy oil, they burn out on anything else.

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#57736 - 05/27/08 08:21 AM Re: Entry Angle [Re: CoachJim]
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No Jim. This measured the Honor Scores bowled against the number of registered bowlers. The number of Honor scores as a ratio to the number of registered bowlers went up by that amount in 1 year.





Edited by Dennis Michael (05/27/08 08:37 AM)
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#57737 - 05/27/08 08:22 AM Re: Entry Angle [Re: desertdog71]
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How about this idea, Averages are inflated because it is easier to learn how to bowl properly. If you don't bowl properly you will not be as successful as someone who does. This is the biggest difference in todays game. The old plant and pull cranker style and super fluf full roller types have gone by the way side, they are still around and have their good night once in a while, but consistent success is behind them.

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#57738 - 05/27/08 08:54 AM Re: Entry Angle [Re: CoachJim]
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Originally Posted By: CoachJim
The old plant and pull cranker style......have gone by the way side, they are still around and have their good night once in a while, but consistent success is behind them.


I will make sure to let Wes Malott, Sean Rash, Patrick Allen, Jason Couch, Robert Smith and Pete Weber know that crankers are a thing of the past. nut rotfl
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#57740 - 05/27/08 09:00 AM Re: Entry Angle [Re: desertdog71]
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Jason Couch and PA are the only people you mention that are really plant and pull.

Are you seriously going to call PDW a cranker? He is the epitome of effortless Execution. There is a difference between a lot of hook and the cranker style of bowling.
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#57741 - 05/27/08 09:00 AM Re: Entry Angle [Re: desertdog71]
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He didn't say that crankers were a thing of the past. He said the "plant and pull" cranker. There's a difference.

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#57745 - 05/27/08 10:32 AM Re: Entry Angle [Re: Lefty]
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So now we have different classifications of crankers?

So explain what a "plant and pull cranker" is as opposed to other crankers.
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