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#5339 - 10/29/03 05:41 PM what is your league using for handicap?
fourfiddyfive Offline
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The year before last, our league used a handicap based on 80% of 200. Then for last years season, we changed it to 90% of 200. The points race was very close at the end of last year. The leauge champions were not decided until the final week of bowling and any of the top 3 teams were within reach of first. The year before that, (when we were at 80% of 200) the first place team had it in the bag with 4 or so weeks remaining.
What do you use for handicap in your league? How close are the points at the end of your season?
We had a few people pushing for 100% of 200 or 80% of 220 or something like that. 90% of 200 was the comprimise we reached. 100% of 200 just didn't seem fair to those bowlers who average 200 or within a few pins of it. what do you think?
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#5340 - 10/29/03 09:38 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
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We are using 90 % of 200. And that would be fine to me, however, we have about 6 - 8 people on the league who are over 200, and about 3 of those that are over 220 ( one if which is 230).

What this means is that they get no handicap. We all understand this. However, is also means that they can miss their average 1 - 30 pins (depending on how much over 200 they are) without any penalty going to their team. In other words, they get bonus points. If for example a team has two 220+ bowlers and two 130 bowlers, they are getting a heck of a lot of handicap and a lot of bonus points because the handicap is at 200.

I've never before bowled in a league that did not handicap at least close to the highest average in the league. I think handicaping at 210 or 220 is more common. I don't particularly care about the percentage. What I think the percentage does is reward the higher level bowlers for bowling well. It gives incentive to the 130 bowler to try harder, practise, maybe even get some lessons, or at least their own shoes. If handicap is 100%, then why try to improve yourself?

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#5341 - 10/30/03 01:36 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
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Good posts, guys. My league uses 80% of 200, and I have no problems with it. 100% is just ridiculous.

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#5342 - 10/30/03 04:19 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
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Hey all!

I agree, 100% is outrageous for all the reasons you mentioned. I shoot on one league that's 80% of 200, and the other is about the same I think. (Not sure, just joined it)
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#5343 - 10/30/03 05:57 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
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Registered: 10/28/03
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Good posts. I am glad this is staying civilized and not turning into a big argrument like the bowling meeting did smile
Erin, that is a good way of putting it about why not to use 100% handicap. and I didn't really thik about the bowlers with 220+ averages before. With my league being so small (30 bowlers), we don't really see a lot of that so it hasn't been an issue for us. our highest average bowler is usually below 210 and there are only a few of them over 200. There are other bowling centers nearby that have 100-150 bowlers in a league and have many bowlers with a 210+ average, so that be a factor for them.
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#5344 - 10/30/03 06:20 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
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I could be mistaken but I believe our handicap is 80% of 230. The amount of bowlers over 200 are evenly split. It's about 30% over 200, 30% between 180-199, the rest are between 150-180. The high average is 236. There is no penalty for the 236 average guy. I have bowled in a league in the past that had a penalty for having an average over 210. If you had an average over 210 you got a full negative. That is if you had and average of 220 you had a negative 10 as a handicap. Of course nobody had an average over 210 there, too much of a setback.
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#5345 - 10/30/03 11:09 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
Atochabsh Offline
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I don't think that if you handicap 210 or 220 that anyone over that should be penalized. After all, they earned that high average. However, I do think that if you have bowlers averaging over 220 to 230 and you are handicaping to 200, that's not fair. The handicap cap, should be close to your highest league average.

Erin

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#5346 - 10/31/03 02:08 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
LadyLuck Offline
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Registered: 07/28/03
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Hi All!

The two leagues that I bowl in use 80% of 200. Since neither league has bowlers with higher averages, it's not an issue. I agree with Atochabsh that if you have bowlers with entering averages higher than 200 that you need to raise the cap to an amount higher than the highest average so as not to give them an unfair advantage. This is especially important when you're playing a match point format and entering handicap side pots.

In addition, I've noticed over the last few years that when 80% is used the stronger teams always seem to dominate but when 90% was used that the team points were much closer and the top positions became more attainable by everyone.

The majority of the leagues in my house seem to be going to 90% and as a result have attracted more players.
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#5347 - 11/29/03 01:02 PM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
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Registered: 12/22/02
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A/S/L: 52/M/Hampton,Virginia
Interesting thread.
Our Sunday Nite Mix League used 80% of 200

Thurs Nite Mixed 100% of 200.
Now this league is made of lower Avg Bowlers and frist time Bowlers and I have no problem with the 100% except we also run a Handicap Side Pot,your score + handicap..LOL..last year at 80% of 200 I "earned" several hunderd dollars on the pot with a 200 Avg.
This year I'll need to apply for Food Stamps to use at the Snack Bar:)

The Weds Nite Mens League uses 90% of 225 based on our highest avg bowler.This league has been around since the late '60's and many of of the teams have older bowlers on it and out of respect we like to keep them active in the League,besides they are a blast to bowl (note I'm 53 and not one of them..LOL).

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#5348 - 12/23/03 11:38 AM Re: what is your league using for handicap?
Donovan Offline
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Registered: 12/22/03
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A/S/L: 33/M/Raleigh,NC
I read that one league is hadicapping 100% of the highest average. This means that week to week the handicap changes, even if your average does not. I think it could work in other leagues regardless of the quality of bowlers. Yes, it does mean a litter extra work for the secretary, but that's not me. It helps the newcomer feel more competive, and at the same time the higher averages do not lose points for being good.
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