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#52013 - 03/14/08 11:47 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: Fin09]
CoachJim Offline
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I still don't like that bowling has been reduced to this, though. You don't see golfers digging troughs in the greens to make their path to the hole easier. Bowlers mangle up a tough pattern so that it plays as easy as a league shot.


They groove these sport patterns so they play easier than a league shot in many respects, as long as you can bowl. A league shot seems to penalize high rev type bowlers and reward low rev bowlers, in many respects. True High rev players can stand left and throw right on most house patterns, as long as they miss right, they are good, but a grooved in sport shot allows for shots missed inside the target to hold pocket more than most house patterns (at least the one I bowl on).

Many people think bowlers such as Walter Ray, Norm Duke and Scroggiins and the like are "straight" players, but on a house pattern there isn't oil with in 5 boards of where they start their balls and would most likely be playing a Tommy Jones type of line on a house pattern since their rev rates are much higher than most typical house bowlers you see playing up the outside.

Tommy Jones would most likely start his night close to if not in front of the ball return on a house pattern.

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#52024 - 03/14/08 12:31 PM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: CoachJim]
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What CoachJim says is absolutely true and I saw it first hand during the Go RVing Pro Am with both of his examples.

Walter Ray was swinging the ball over 18 at the arrows to 4-5 board. TJ was all the way left and swinging huge. Mitch Beasley was in the left lane to shoot the right lane and tossing the gutter cap.

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#52030 - 03/14/08 12:59 PM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: bluesman_vt_2002]
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Registered: 02/13/01
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Many people think bowlers such as Walter Ray, Norm Duke and Scroggiins and the like are "straight" players, but on a house pattern there isn't oil with in 5 boards of where they start their balls and would most likely be playing a Tommy Jones type of line on a house pattern since their rev rates are much higher than most typical house bowlers you see playing up the outside.


If they were on a house shot on a regular basis, I think you'd see them start digging in their basements for old urethane and rubber balls. They would not be using the new high tech balls they are given now. And they have to use contemporary equipment in most of the PBA tournaments.

Erin


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#52034 - 03/14/08 01:21 PM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: Fin09]
ChenZ3n Offline
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Registered: 12/12/07
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I still don't like that bowling has been reduced to this, though. You don't see golfers digging troughs in the greens to make their path to the hole easier. Bowlers mangle up a tough pattern so that it plays as easy as a league shot.


Bowling hasn't been "reduced" to this. That strategy is as old as lane oil itself. It is just a bigger phenomenon now that these "nuclear powered" bowling balls are all the rage. Back in the rubber/urethane days, "carving a line" wasn't as big a deal cause most of the time, there was only one (maybe two) lines to play on the lane. Now, a person can play deep inside or up the board (or a combination of both on two different lanes). The game has so many variables now (oil ratio, pattern, ball, lane surface, etc) that creating a line is about the only way to be competative. And it's not like there are only a few folks doing this... just about every player on tour (National and Regional) does this or has done this. It's just a facet of the game.

As for golfers not doing this... that's because there is nothing that he/she can do repetitively enough to change an environmental variable to favor his/her game. That's inherent in that game. Carving a line is inherent in ours.

Like I said earlier... some folks find it unfair, others don't. But if you go to a tournament (especially a scratch event), you should prepare for it cause everytime I've seen blatent examples of carving it has always been at these types of competitions (house scratch, high roller, regionals, national events, etc). It seems that when a bowler bowls for money, he/she will do what it takes to win.

I like that.

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