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#51599 - 03/09/08 10:20 PM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: ChenZ3n]
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WOW, so his strategy was to try and screw the other guy instead of working his own game - interesting.

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#51606 - 03/10/08 12:15 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: sixbagger]
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All power players like to dull up a spot and then bounce a shiny ball off of it.

If you can make your opponent use his B game, why wouldn't you?
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#51613 - 03/10/08 04:54 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: sixbagger]
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Originally Posted By: sixbagger
WOW, so his strategy was to try and screw the other guy instead of working his own game - interesting.

A few years ago, I want to say Chris Loschetter did the same thing. And, this summer during the event at Great America in St. Louis, Robert Smith tried to burn up Norm Duke's and WRW's line. By doing this, you do 2 things.

1) Make them play a different line.
2) Create a bounce area and line for yourself.

We have been talking about doing this same thing in the Nationals thread. It isn't uncommon.
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#51625 - 03/10/08 08:22 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: General Pounder]
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You can also do the opposite. I've seen Doug Kent throw a plastic ball to push oil down the lane. That created the shot he wanted and messed everyone else up as well.

#51629 - 03/10/08 09:16 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: Lefty]
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They were all doing that as well. Mike Scroggin's first six shots in the warm ups were with a Denny's Ball to do exactly what Lefty mentioned. I think that Rhino just made a better ball choice.
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#51635 - 03/10/08 10:35 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: bluesman_vt_2002]
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yeah, it's not at all uncommon to see this. Pros do it alot. Both ways (drying a line up or pushing oil down to change a breakpoint). The reason may seem "selfish" but it's really not. That's just how the game is played at a higher level.

Personally I don't have a problem with it. However, some would say that it is unfair.

#51643 - 03/10/08 11:34 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: ChenZ3n]
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If it was clear that a bowler wasnt working on their game but against the other bowlers game, I think it could/would come across as bad sportsmanship.

#51644 - 03/10/08 11:41 AM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: sixbagger]
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Well if you remember a couple weeks ago when Norm Duke won, he had said that he would be playing a line just inside WRW's line to "burn up a spot on the backend that will affect how WRW's ball reacts."

In some cases its more of competative strategy, like trying to make a hitter look bad by throwing a curveball, but there are other times where it can basically just be bad sportsmanship. Generally at the level these guys play at though they can adjust to it and its not a big deal. Usually when it becomes a big deal is when its done in regular league where a person is used to throwing a certain line and then all of a sudden they have to change and it makes them uncomfortable, which in turn makes them angry.
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#51646 - 03/10/08 12:26 PM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: Timotheus]
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If I remember right there was discussion on Xtra Frame video service for the PBA. I forget which tournment but they were showing the round of 16 or something.

Had discussion if you agree or disagree of someone changing or bruning up a spot on the lanes. I forgot who said he agree as long as there burning up a spot for them self. But disagree about people playing someone else line that they do not tend to play just to change an oppents look.
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#51647 - 03/10/08 12:49 PM Re: Go RVing Classic [Re: Brandon510]
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This happens so frequently. What's not that frequent is for a player to come right out and mentioned it as casually as its done every day they're on the lanes.

It happens at so many levels that you cannot really fault anyone for doing it. I mean why do you think high average players and teams bowl together at events like USBC Nationals and Ladies Nationals, so they don't get on a lane with unskilled bowlers that will mess up their line unwittingly.


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