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#159638 - 12/19/11 08:32 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info ***** [Re: Kitten Latch]
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Yes he did do a bit of measuring and found my PAP, I can't remember what it was for the life of me, but he did go through those steps.

I guess it's a possibility...I am just holding a grudge because he didn't seem very friendly frown
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#159653 - 12/20/11 05:36 AM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: Hunter]
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Yes he did do a bit of measuring and found my PAP, I can't remember what it was for the life of me, but he did go through those steps


Is the weight hole on your pap? I don't see anything wrong with the drill pattern you are using here, assuming you have a "Normal" pap. It might be a pinch aggressive, but it is a long and strong ball in the first place I wouldn't put the pin farther from the pap unless you were a more experienced bowler with a high rev rate.

MetGuy, I don't know what you are asking as far as ball strength % if you explain a bit better I will try to answer your question.

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#169528 - 08/02/12 10:01 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: CoachJim]
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I love this topic, i read it all the time. Sometimes the old ones really deserve to be re-read...
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#169529 - 08/02/12 10:14 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: metguy]
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Originally Posted By: metguy
CoachJim, would it be fair to say that when you get a ball drilled up "Its not drilled even close to its maximum" potential?

If thats correct, what would you say the normal strength % would be for the average bowler walking in off the street?

I would expect the "red flags" or warning signs you are about to purchase a watered down version of a great ball would be if the driller doesn't ask for specifics such as pap or rev rate. Would you agree?


Let me try that again CoachJim. When a bowler walks into their local Pro Shop and asks for a top of the line ball, without knowing specifics such as PAP, Revs, or Ball Speed, they are basically buying a ball with a conservative/general drilling. I would expect NO ball driller to push the bounderies when they don't know what the bounderies are for this bowler.

This buyer would be better served buying a mid-performance ball and establishing those factors (while saving a little cash in the process).

Pro Shops buy their balls in bundles, pin lengths and top weights varying for any type of bowler that may want to buy something specific. If one doesn't know their specifics, they are probably going to get leftovers that are drilled to function but may not be anywhere near bowler specific.
So, just because you buy a great ball doesn't mean you are getting a great ball for you..
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#169532 - 08/03/12 06:11 AM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: metguy]
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I find that many bowlers who used to bowl back in the pre reactive days that are now returning to the game walk into the shop and ask for the top of the line ball because that used to be the thing to do back then, you couldn't go wrong, every ball was for every lane condition, all you needed to do was alter the surface and there was your medium to oily lane ball, dry was for polyester back then.

Now you can get a high performance ball in every price point, but they are condition specific and may not be what that person needs, so spending money on a high dollar ball is a needles waste of money unless you have a specific need for it.

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#171339 - 09/22/12 08:43 AM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: CoachJim]
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great article, a lot of detailed information. I wish you local bowling Pro Shop guy would explain patterns so people would understand them.
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#176950 - 03/09/13 07:39 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: metguy]
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Shouldn't the Pro Shop properly fit the person by getting their pap, speed, axis, revs, watch their release etc...?

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#176987 - 03/11/13 02:49 AM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: tomcollins]
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Originally Posted By: tomcollins
Shouldn't the Pro Shop properly fit the person by getting their pap, speed, axis, revs, watch their release etc...?


Ideally yes, some people don't care they just want a ball that hooks, anyone taking the game seriously should have a ball laid out for their specs though, not some generic drilling.

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#178295 - 04/22/13 08:54 AM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: CoachJim]
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Drilled my Vivid as 45 X 5in horizontal 1in UP X 45, what basically should I be expecting as a reaction to this ball?

And can anybody comment on my Nexxxus and Crossroad, the crossroad is perfect and Nexxxus but track is a bit on medium whatever adjustment on throw I do I cannot get it to track higher what am I doing wrong or is it just OK, both balls hook a ton but the track is on the medium flare with oil rings ranging from 5-6


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#178297 - 04/22/13 10:41 AM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: CoachJim]
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Originally Posted By: CoachJim
I find that many bowlers who used to bowl back in the pre reactive days that are now returning to the game walk into the shop and ask for the top of the line ball because that used to be the thing to do back then, you couldn't go wrong, every ball was for every lane condition, all you needed to do was alter the surface and there was your medium to oily lane ball, dry was for polyester back then.


Weird, back around 1990 I was lugging around a Faball Blue Pearl Hammer for medium-dry, an Ebonite Thunderbolt for medium-heavy, and had a green White Dot for the desert. Must have been ahead of my time smile All "label drills" though, I wasn't TOO ahead.
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