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Legend
Registered: Fri Aug 27 2004
Posts: 10100
A/S/L: Mountain View, CA
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#145520 - 02/01/11 10:21 PM
Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info
[Re: CoachJim]
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Bracket Donor
Registered: 11/10/10
Posts: 102
A/S/L: 29/male/sarasota,fl
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ok layout questions. so i understand the basic difference between pin above the fingers and below i think. what i don't understand is how one is really any better for any one thing than an other. i mean couldn't you just drill your balls the same and adjust the surface for conditions and have a few different strengths of balls to match up?
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#145541 - 02/02/11 02:24 AM
Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info
[Re: scoobydoo6906]
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Legend
Registered: 04/19/09
Posts: 1818
A/S/L: 30/M/Bellingham WA
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ok layout questions. so i understand the basic difference between pin above the fingers and below i think. what i don't understand is how one is really any better for any one thing than an other. i mean couldn't you just drill your balls the same and adjust the surface for conditions and have a few different strengths of balls to match up? For the most part the surface is like a macro adjustment and the layout a micro adjustment. It's all about fine tuning your reaction, they both can have similar effects on the reaction, but I think the cover has a much bigger effect.
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#159493 - 12/16/11 10:50 AM
Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info
[Re: CoachJim]
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Virtual League Champion
Registered: 12/15/11
Posts: 382
A/S/L: 29/M/Jacksonville, FL
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Coach Jim. I wish I knew about you and this website before I moved from Herndon down here to Florida last year...Goodness! How do I know if the guy drilling the ball at a shop is knowledgeable enough, or cares enough about what you want? When I bought my Slingshot this summer, I printed out 2 diagrams from Brunswicks webpage that were for more "angled" attacks and "longer", so that I could continue my Tweener style. The guy at the Pro Shop didn't drill it out based on the Brunswick pictures at all. I guess he "knew" what would be best based on my track. He didn't even bother to see how I bowl. I'm looking to buy a newer ball that gives me more of a backend Angle attack, hopefully I can make an informed decision on another threads progress. I want to make sure I find a Pro Shop that will listen to what I want to get out of the ball, and then see how I throw the ball, and drill from those conclusions. Any connections to Jacksonville, FL?
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#159542 - 12/17/11 08:57 AM
Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info
[Re: CoachJim]
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Legend
Registered: 03/12/11
Posts: 1108
A/S/L: 46/m/waverly iowa
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CoachJim, would it be fair to say that when you get a ball drilled up "Its not drilled even close to its maximum" potential?
If thats correct, what would you say the normal strength % would be for the average bowler walking in off the street?
I would expect the "red flags" or warning signs you are about to purchase a watered down version of a great ball would be if the driller doesn't ask for specifics such as pap or rev rate. Would you agree?
Edited by metguy (12/17/11 09:03 AM)
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#159545 - 12/17/11 10:43 AM
Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info
[Re: CoachJim]
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Virtual League Champion
Registered: 12/11/05
Posts: 9820
A/S/L: M/Barrington, Ill
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Metguy, I really haven't had experiences like you mention.
My driller starts by taking a new customer out to the lane and watches them bowl. He can get a very quick assessment. Then, he measures and positions his PAP based on the oil rings on the ball.
He goes through a series of questions like: how long do you want the ball to roll? What do you want to do with the ball? What type of lanes do you bowl on? What are the oil patterns? Do you want length or an early roll? An arc or a snap? and a whole bunch more.
He then asks if the bowler has seen any ball he is interested in, and what it was. After familiarizing himself with the bowler's ability, the bowler's intent, and the type of ball he is interested in, will the driller offer an opinion.
He usually offers 3-4 balls for consideration, including the one the bowler identified. And, he will usually give a couple at different price points. He narrows the selection of the bowler by asking a few more questions regarding price, how much use it will get, bowler's habits like cleaning, and how often. Then steers the bowler to a choice between 2 balls.
Once the bowler selects a ball, the driller fully explains how a layout will affect the ball in distance from PAP to pin, angles, position of pin, cg, or MB. The bowler actually makes choices in this process. If a weight hole is needed, he explains why and where it should be.
At the end, he makes the bowler feel that he has individualized and customized a ball specifically for himself based on the choices made.
I have seen him do this on numerous occasions. And, every bowler has gone away satisfied. Only to return to buy his next ball.
If a bowler wants a strong ball, but bowls on weak lanes, the driller explains what may happen. He will offer an opinion on a weaker drill for a strong ball, or the reverse. He really tries to match the ball, the drill and the bowler.
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#159625 - 12/19/11 05:45 PM
Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info
[Re: CoachJim]
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Virtual League Champion
Registered: 12/15/11
Posts: 382
A/S/L: 29/M/Jacksonville, FL
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I am so disappointed in the Pro Shop I used for my Slingshot. After trying to learn as much as I could in a short amount of time as a "noobie" bowler, this guy didn't drill based on how I bowl or asked him at all. Based on Brunswick's site for Symmetrical balls, and that I wanted it to be a LONG and STRONG backend, with a High Track the PIN should have been over my ring finger hole...but he put it to the right. Edit: Oh I put a piece of tape over a circle that is on the ball, it probably is important to note where it is.
Edited by Hunterx (12/19/11 05:46 PM)
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#159633 - 12/19/11 07:56 PM
Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info
[Re: Hunter]
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Action Bowler
Registered: 03/13/10
Posts: 211
A/S/L: 19/M/Australia
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I am so disappointed in the Pro Shop I used for my Slingshot. After trying to learn as much as I could in a short amount of time as a "noobie" bowler, this guy didn't drill based on how I bowl or asked him at all. Based on Brunswick's site for Symmetrical balls, and that I wanted it to be a LONG and STRONG backend, with a High Track the PIN should have been over my ring finger hole...but he put it to the right. Edit: Oh I put a piece of tape over a circle that is on the ball, it probably is important to note where it is. Did he measure based off your PAP? If your PAP was a little down that could very well be a typical long and strong layout for you. And in a ball like the Slingshot, drilling is only going to affect ball motion by like 10%, 15% max. You as a bowler and the surface of the bowling ball will affect it much much more.
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