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#52371 - 03/19/08 02:34 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info ***** [Re: cgeorg]
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Originally Posted By: cgeorg

Going past 5 1/16" will bring hand position much more into play. If you release with 90 degrees of rotation, you'll see more backend. If you release with 45, you'll see less. If you go up the back of the ball, it will not move much at all.


To add to this since I have a ball with a 6" pin, I can say that this is what I see happen. Your flare rings are pretty much on top of one another. The small distance where there is a space between them, the space is less than the oil ring itself.

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#54566 - 04/13/08 05:24 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: CoachJim]
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Originally Posted By: CoachJim
[quote]For example placing the pin above the fingers doesn't make the ball go longer then placing it below the fingers. What happens when you place the pin above the fingers is the ball will expend more energy at the break point than a ball with the pin below the fingers that will continue to hook past the break point. So if you are leaving a bunch of weak 10 pins try a pin under fingers layout in a similar or same ball. The opposite is true as well, if you are leaving a bunch of solid back row spares to shoot at try a pin above the fingers drill in the same or similar type of ball.
What would recommend for strokers with low ball speeds?

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#54578 - 04/13/08 09:58 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: RLD]
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What would recommend for strokers with low ball speeds?


Besides lessons to improve your ball speed, and rev rate, I need more info to give me an idea as to what lane conditions you need the ball for.

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#54608 - 04/14/08 12:00 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: CoachJim]
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House shot, medium-light oil.

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#54613 - 04/14/08 12:53 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: RLD]
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What's wrong with the black widow pearl you have now?

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#54627 - 04/14/08 03:38 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: Lefty]
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Originally Posted By: Lefty

To add to this since I have a ball with a 6" pin, I can say that this is what I see happen. Your flare rings are pretty much on top of one another. The small distance where there is a space between them, the space is less than the oil ring itself.


I have a Black Widow with the pin drilled over the middle finger, and the ball still flares about 4-5 inches. Could this just be from the Black Widow having .06 of differential?
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#54628 - 04/14/08 03:40 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: Blitzballer]
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Is there a weight hole in the ball?
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#54629 - 04/14/08 03:42 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: cgeorg]
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Originally Posted By: cgeorg
Is there a weight hole in the ball?

Nope 3/8 side 3/8 finger
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#54647 - 04/14/08 08:52 PM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: Blitzballer]
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I have a Black Widow with the pin drilled over the middle finger, and the ball still flares about 4-5 inches. Could this just be from the Black Widow having .06 of differential?


If you have a lower track, then the pin over the middle fingers is probably more like 5" than 6" that is why it still flares so much.

This is why it is important to measure ball layouts from the pap instead of from where the pin is on your grip. If you measure from the pap you will be able to match your ball reaction better to what you want.

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#54679 - 04/15/08 01:47 AM Re: Basic Drill Pattern Info [Re: CoachJim]
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Originally Posted By: CoachJim
What's wrong with the black widow pearl you have now?
Nothing is wrong with the pearl, but the ball was drilled conventional pin (45 degrees) and not from PAP. The driller told me that I can do more with the ball from my release. I also had asked for one with top weight 3 and pin 2-3, instead he sold me the one he had on stock with top weight 2 and pin 1-2. My original choice was the Ebonite Bash or Clash, but he said it's better to go for a high performance ball. I've really enriched my knowledge of the sport because of this site. I'm going to check out Erin's x bro in law Bud at Homestead or Skip at Cambrian. I was trying to get a basic idea of the layout for my next ball. I wanted to know what pin layout (pin above or below fingers) is recommended for a stroker with low revs on a house shot with medium-light oil.

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