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#49662 - 02/14/08 10:37 AM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: infernocal]
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I'll agree that a few weeks out of the season, the lefties do have an advantage, but they are few and far between. What ends up happening is that some of the exempt lefties (Oatman, Kalfas, Mark Scroggins to name a few) need to place extremely high those weeks to have any chance to keep their exemptions, since there are not many other weeks where they can score well enough to keep up. There is no way to shut the right side out, since even if all 6 exempt lefties and the 1 or 2 that come out of the TQR all make match play, there are still 24-25 righthanders in there with them, and with the current format, you see a lot of lefties eliminating each other. Only in the weeks with round robin match play will you see the possibility of an all lefty field.

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#49666 - 02/14/08 11:15 AM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: Fin09]
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Thats true, its all about pinfall those weeks. Its all about the laws of probability in the end. Every once in a while its going to happen, just like every once in a while there might be no lefties in match play at all. No matter which side of the lane you are on its about going out there and performing. Look at how many different players this year have made back to back or 3+ telecasts in a row or have made 4 or more throughout the whole season including a few lefties. They get on a streak of throwing the ball extremely well and scoring high to make it to tv and ride it out as long as they can.
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#49680 - 02/14/08 02:36 PM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: infernocal]
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Originally Posted By: infernocal
such as Spartensburg.


Spelled it wrong. It's Spartanburg thumbsup

I actually went to the finals of that tournament and the match between Bohn and Page was awesome.

I think it just comes down to the fact that some patterns need to break down to give you a good angle while other patterns score higher with less traffic. The righties would do better on the patterns that need to break down and lefties would do better on pattern that need less traffic.
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#49683 - 02/14/08 02:55 PM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: ChvyKc]
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Yeah, I knew something was wrong with it, but didn't feel like looking it up at the time. That was a good match, looked like a runaway for Bohn, then Page came charging back taking advantage of a few non strike frames by Bohn just to get a little too amped on the shot that would have won it for him. Thats how I see it anyways.
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#49687 - 02/14/08 03:39 PM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: infernocal]
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There's another major reason you don't see all lefty telecasts and that there aren't a lot of exempt lefties on the tour: Most of the world is right handed. Its a pretty simple law of averages in that the more of a certain type you have, the more of a chance of pulling it out of a group of objects. In this case, there are more righties in the world than lefties so there are more exempt righties and therefore more all or mostly righty telecasts.
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#49707 - 02/15/08 01:57 AM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: Timotheus]
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Originally Posted By: Timotheus
There's another major reason you don't see all lefty telecasts and that there aren't a lot of exempt lefties on the tour: Most of the world is right handed. Its a pretty simple law of averages in that the more of a certain type you have, the more of a chance of pulling it out of a group of objects. In this case, there are more righties in the world than lefties so there are more exempt righties and therefore more all or mostly righty telecasts.


But Tim, that's exactly my point, it DOES happen, despite the law of averages.

2008 Spartanburg Classic Telecast
Billy Oatman (L)
Mike Scroggins (L)
Parker Bohn III (L)
Patrick Allen (L)
Rhino Page (L)

and it's not like this is the first time...
BUT... I will step off my soap box, because alot of folks have made very good points on this thread as to the reasonings behind this. Obviously, they are ALL great bowlers, regardless of wether they throw the ball down the hard or easy side (right or left.) grin


Edited by kagekikr (02/15/08 01:57 AM)
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#49718 - 02/15/08 08:35 AM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: kagekikr]
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Originally Posted By: kagekikr
Obviously, they are ALL great bowlers, regardless of wether they throw the ball down the hard or easy side (right or left.) grin


I will definitely agree with that. All of those guys are exceptional bowlers even when compared to other PBA bowlers. I was really hoping that Oatman would go all the way. I really like the guy but both Bohn and Page were on fire that day.
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#49720 - 02/15/08 08:58 AM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: ChvyKc]
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Yes it does happen, but not despite the law of averages, but rather because of the law of averages. The law of averages simply states that most of the time the sect with the greater numbers will be at the forefront, but it does leave open extreme cases where all of a sect with very few numbers will be at the front.

In our case, most telecasts will be all righties with 1, maybe 2 lefties, if any at all. The lefties do have their days where its all lefties on TV, but its probably less than 10% of the time (that and my next sentence are guesstimates so don't take hard numbers with them). Using a skewed bell curve (standard deviation), there's probably 50% of the time its all righties, 40% of the time has 1 or 2 lefties, and 10% of the time is all lefties.
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#49738 - 02/15/08 12:43 PM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: Timotheus]
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Originally Posted By: Timotheus
Using a skewed bell curve (standard deviation), there's probably 50% of the time its all righties, 40% of the time has 1 or 2 lefties, and 10% of the time is all lefties.


BRINGING OUT THE CALCULUS!!!! brickwall
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#49745 - 02/15/08 01:43 PM Re: Lefty Telecasts [Re: ChvyKc]
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Lol no calculus involved! That was just a quick mental picture that I devised as I was writing it!
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