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#48495 - 01/28/08 10:50 AM Re: Subbing [Re: Odyssey912]
Smooth23 Offline
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Lance, subbing is a great way to pick up team members. I used to only bowl league on friday, then when I stopped working nights mid season I started subbing a tuesdays and wednesdays. Ended up joining the team on tuesday that I subbed for about 4 weeks in a row. Wednesday I would have been able to join a team via my subbing for them too, cept now I have classes that night.
As for the rant about subs bowling for free, I dont see what the problem is. If I sub for your team and I carry my part of the deal, you get your point and are closer to prize money. I on the other hand will have no hand in the pot, so why should I pay unless I was getting a chunk?
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#48496 - 01/28/08 10:59 AM Re: Subbing [Re: Smooth23]
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There isn't anything wrong with the subs bowling for free/being payed for by the regular team member who wasn't there, but only when asked.

The main problem comes from people who just go around looking for leagues to sub in and bowling 3, 4, 5 times a week or more without having to pay at all, then establishing an average that they can subsequently take to tournaments. Then its basically "hey, you never payed to bowl any games this year. You shouldn't be able to bowl in this tournament!" Its a big loophole that too many people take advantage of.
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#48505 - 01/28/08 01:06 PM Re: Subbing [Re: Timotheus]
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Is there an alley on campus? The alley at my school had leagues that went for the semester.
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#48509 - 01/28/08 02:22 PM Re: Subbing [Re: General Pounder]
Lance Offline
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Registered: 07/21/06
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A/S/L: 21/m/virginia
No on campus bowling alley. I just work at the one about 2.5 miles off campus. I wish there was a campus bowling alley...
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#48510 - 01/28/08 04:00 PM Re: Subbing [Re: Lance]
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You can down to a league you may like that already in progress and ask if you can be floating sub and when someone needs one you can sub. I only sub when im asked to usually i go down and watch friends bowl and sometimes they maybe be missing a teammate and ask me to.

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#48518 - 01/28/08 06:29 PM Re: Subbing [Re: Brandon510]
Lance Offline
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Registered: 07/21/06
Posts: 59
A/S/L: 21/m/virginia
I decided not to sub tonight until I get registered on my Sunday night league which I just got added to! It is 12 bucks a week, so I'm guessing its a trophy league because it is only 12 a week but I it has about 10-12 weeks left and I'll be able to get an average.
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#48531 - 01/28/08 09:33 PM Re: Subbing [Re: Lance]
Smooth23 Offline
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A/S/L: 23/M/Jackson, MI
Lance, just FYI, for every league you sub on they'll have you fill out another sanction card. Wont have to pay once you're already sanctioned but you will need to fill one out so they can add you to the league as a sub.
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#49112 - 02/07/08 01:43 AM Re: Subbing [Re: Smooth23]
kagekikr Offline
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Registered: 05/23/05
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A/S/L: 34/M/Michigan
Wow, I see alot of different opinions on this subject, so I'll throw mine into the ring. Substitutes are what their name implies, a substitute for the original bowler. A fill in. A sub has not made a season long committment and, aside from some "team subs" will not have his hand in the money jar at seasons end. The choice of a team to use a sub is easy, do you want to go for the given, or do you want some upside. An absent bowler will give you a solid 10 pins under average, but that sub could do worse... or they could help you win the game. Though I haven't subbed in a long time, when I was younger I worked rotating shifts and was only able to guarantee one weekly night off to bowl. Since I wanted to bowl more, and prefer league competition and lanes to open bowling, I often did the "show up at the bowling alley and look for a team" thing when I had a night off. Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but I was never looking for "free" bowling. I would always offer to pay the lineage portion and more often than not, the team would decline. I would also typically buy the team a round of drinks. As others have mentioned, subbing can be a great way to find other bowlers that you get along well with, and keep in mind for future teams. A current team mate of mine just happens to be a guy who I subbed for back inthe early 90's. Sure, there are folks that may try and use subbing for a glorified practice session, but in my experience this is the exception, not the rule. If a team decides to use the sub, they do so with the understanding that they are rolling the dice. Then again, aren't we all every time we step on the lanes? No one bowls their average EVERY game. Some are over, some are under... that's why it's called an AVERAGE. My experiences have been good ones as a sub in the past. I bowled some not so good scores, I bowled some great scores. I will tranferring to a new job soon and will eventually have to do 4 months of training in Georgia. You better believe I will have my equipment with me and I'll be at the local centers having the counter announce that there is a sub in the house. Hopefully, some team will take a chance on me...
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